THE REBEL SAINT Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) This is bad news up to 35 dead. Edited November 13, 2015 by THE REBEL SAINT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 yeah, watching this unfold in an airport, waiting for my red-eye home. Poor French, this is horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 At least 128 dead now. Horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky78 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Absolutely tragic, there's literally nothing we can do against these types of attacks. Cowards. rammsteinally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaky Toon Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Those poor souls that went to a rock concert and didn't come home. When I booked my U2 tickets, it was a toss up between Stockholm in September or Paris tonight. Picked Sweden. Thank the Lord because I would have gone to Paris Friday to Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 What kind of hatred drives these people? I just can't wrap my brain around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaky Toon Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Monty, I don't get it either.They were only having a night out or at the football just like we all do. I've been to Paris for a weekend and not only is it a beautiful city, the people were very warm and friendly. We found the stereotype of them being rude all wrong. Such a shame. Tricky78, ex-montrosesaintee and Cagey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Paris is an amazing place full of great folk. So sad that they have been targeted yet again by these lunatics. France has strict gun controls, but open borders with countries who do not. Last time (Hebdo) the guns were bought in Belgium. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Is Belgium like the US, where you can buy almost any gun? I think these guys used AK47s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Did some googling. Apparently Belgium has very strict laws in place since a 2006 incident, but at the same time a thriving illegal trade in weapons based in Brussels. Seems if you know what you're doing, you can get pretty much anything. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky78 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 What kind of hatred drives these people? I just can't wrap my brain around it.The people from deprived back rounds in the middle east etc I can see why they would be easily led but people who have been recruited from the likes of the UK is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Sad times.I'm pretty sure us bombing the shit out of the middle east etc in the name of ''justice'' has nothing to do with this at all... Wouldn't surprise me if this was entirely orchestrated by the West and Israel so we can march on in to Syria now. sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Sad times.I'm pretty sure us bombing the shit out of the middle east etc in the name of ''justice'' has nothing to do with this at all... Wouldn't surprise me if this was entirely orchestrated by the West and Israel so we can march on in to Syria now.We are on the same page saintj, Cameron wanting to go out with a bang his thatcher moment. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Its a no win situation for France here, they have to be seen to respond, so what do they do?- bomb Syria/ISIS more - which increases conflict in the middle east, increases ISIS angst/more, more refugees?- start rounding up anyone in France who is a 'potential' threat, creates animosity with moderates / non violent people who could be more easily influenced by extreme preachers and increases their domestic threat.-------So on top of this Marine Le Pen takes more power, creating a stronger right wing movement, driving a larger divide between all groups.And tourism to France plummets, hurting an already fragile ecomony, driving increased unemployment and further platform for hatred groups, right wing/extreme preachers to develop more 'soldiers'This could spiral into something more severe here that could have a knock on effect for all of Europe.So what to do? For a country with strict gun controls, its meaningless if they have borders with European countries that don't or people have free access across Europe and can walk into France with AK47's and bombs.If I was French leadership right now, would my only solution be to take control of my borders again? At least in the short-term. St. Paddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I get your point Texas. I'm not sure that border controls are any more of a solution though. The border clashes created by the influx of refugees, and now by this attack turn what is a borderless terrorist organisation's fight against non-extremists into a nation v nation conflict. It isn't about countries. If it becomes about countries, it becomes about taking sides, and it becomes a world war, and then everybody is ****ed. That's playing right into ISIS's hands. Cleveland-Saint and St. Paddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Paddy Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 The war on terror has only created more terrorists, who respond to attricities perpetrated by our (uk/usa/european) governments and their allies (isreal's attack is defence stance) with cowardly acts seen in Paris this weekend.Almost impossible to prevent, unless you want every street corner to look like Belfast in the 80'sDifficult to counter, net result would just be more radicalised lunatics using it as justification for their actions, and a one way ticket to paradise.Idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 The war on terror has only created more terrorists, who respond to attricities perpetrated by our (uk/usa/european) governments and their allies (isreal's attack is defence stance) with cowardly acts seen in Paris this weekend.Almost impossible to prevent, unless you want every street corner to look like Belfast in the 80'sDifficult to counter, net result would just be more radicalised lunatics using it as justification for their actions, and a one way ticket to paradise.IdkThis is the crux of it. As long as our governments in the West continue to be dictated to by a country who seem to thrive on starting wars all over the globe, then extremists will carry out attacks like these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 As long as the British / American governments continue the love affair with the Saudis then nothing will change, Saudis bank roll and they roll over to get there bellies tickled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky78 Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 We are on the same page saintj, Cameron wanting to go out with a bang his thatcher moment.Do you honestly think the west have orchestrated these attacks? Take of your tinfoil hat for goodness sakes. cjw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Go back and look at American policy from the 50s they have been behind all the dirty dealings,aided and abetted by British / French securities, take off your rose tinted glasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 The war on terror has only created more terrorists, who respond to attricities perpetrated by our (uk/usa/european) governments and their allies (isreal's attack is defence stance) with cowardly acts seen in Paris this weekend.Almost impossible to prevent, unless you want every street corner to look like Belfast in the 80'sDifficult to counter, net result would just be more radicalised lunatics using it as justification for their actions, and a one way ticket to paradise.IdkWhats the next move though if you were Hollande. I can't see how any action doesn't play into the hands of ISIS.If the 'west' doesn't respond (unlikely), even pulls out of all middle east conflict, do the attacks actually stop or is this bed well and truly made ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hollande will try to persuade the Yanks and us to put boots on the ground in Syria. I don't think it will happen, so expect the French to ramp up the air strikes and put some special forces in. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul N Shark Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's high time other Arab countries got involved in sorting out ISIS and all the other vermin, this cannot be done by the West and Russia on its own.If this had happened in Tel Aviv on Friday ISIS would already be smashed to smithereens.I hope Sturgeon and Yousaf have done proper checks on the plane load of Syrians that are due to land in Glasgow on Thursday or will it be a game of refugee roulette. MySpazz and Cagey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 They can't check them. Immigration and border control are reserved matters, conducted by UK officials and ministers.There is a solution to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 A couple from our town, shot in Tunisia. A guy from our town beheaded in Syria.This is not abstract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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