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Look, I know the sun has been shining out of TW's backside since we won the Scottish Cup, but it is waning faster than the speed of sound. How much longer can we, realistically, put up with the way the team are playing, and some of his substitutions?

I am not advocating his removal as I have not been 'up the road' this season, but from what I have read and heard, things appear to be regressing rapidly.

Other Managers/Coaches have not been shown the same leniency as that afforded to TW, by Mr Brown, so is his peg shoogly?

I was just thinking about another legend, Lord John Connolly, when posting the above comment, and the time he was given to attempt to get it right.

Just asking?

 "I have not been 'up the road' this season "

"How much longer can we, realistically, put up with the way the team are playing, and some of his substitutions?"

..but just thought youd bring up a point about whether we should keep our manager anyway, just to add a bit of drama to your evening Dunc?  Eastenders not fulfilling enough for you?  Internet porn not hitting the spot?

5th in the table and a season where we reached another semi final.  Plagued by injuries constantly this season and a recent lack of form, sold our most effective player,  3rd lowest playing staff budget in the league, but yes you're right let's ask whether we should be discussing removing our manager.

 

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Look, I know the sun has been shining out of TW's backside since we won the Scottish Cup, but it is waning faster than the speed of sound. How much longer can we, realistically, put up with the way the team are playing, and some of his substitutions?

I am not advocating his removal as I have not been 'up the road' this season, but from what I have read and heard, things appear to be regressing rapidly.

Other Managers/Coaches have not been shown the same leniency as that afforded to TW, by Mr Brown, so is his peg shoogly?

I was just thinking about another legend, Lord John Connolly, when posting the above comment, and the time he was given to attempt to get it right.

Just asking?

One word, MONEY ! 

Did TW not sign a contract extension recently. There's got to be a hefty compensation clause in it I'm sure. Just as it appears Brown will not shell out for players of the standard required to compete in the league now, I doubt he'll hand over cash to someone he shows the door to. 

Come on TW get a grip thou' even stupid people learn from their mistakes and don't keep making the same ones. 

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 "I have not been 'up the road' this season "

"How much longer can we, realistically, put up with the way the team are playing, and some of his substitutions?"

..but just thought youd bring up a point about whether we should keep our manager anyway, just to add a bit of drama to your evening Dunc?  Eastenders not fulfilling enough for you?  Internet porn not hitting the spot?

5th in the table and a season where we reached another semi final.  Plagued by injuries constantly this season and a recent lack of form, sold our most effective player,  3rd lowest playing staff budget in the league, but yes you're right let's ask whether we should be discussing removing our manager.

 

A very precarious 5th that could very quickly become 9th or 10th

And let's not get carried away re a semi final. Only had to win two games or something to get there and then got it all wrong against a team from the division below us

Agree re injuries (although all teams get them) and small budget

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Look, I know the sun has been shining out of TW's backside since we won the Scottish Cup, but it is waning faster than the speed of sound. How much longer can we, realistically, put up with the way the team are playing, and some of his substitutions?

I am not advocating his removal as I have not been 'up the road' this season, but from what I have read and heard, things appear to be regressing rapidly.

Other Managers/Coaches have not been shown the same leniency as that afforded to TW, by Mr Brown, so is his peg shoogly?

I was just thinking about another legend, Lord John Connolly, when posting the above comment, and the time he was given to attempt to get it right.

Just asking?

As Tommy has just signed a new contract I'd be more than a little surprised if his job is in any danger.   As far as comparisons with John Connolly are concerned -really???

Connolly almost got us relegated from the second tier.  Tommy will keep us comfortably in the top tier.  Massive difference. 

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Tommy is getting leeway at the moment but can you tell me any player Tommy has brought in that is doing really well and has changed the team at the moment swanson showed a bit last night same old pros doing the best muzz midge Ando McLean cuptie all ageing but still doing brilliant most of the time season after season

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As Tommy has just signed a new contract I'd be more than a little surprised if his job is in any danger.   As far as comparisons with John Connolly are concerned -really???

Connolly almost got us relegated from the second tier.  Tommy will keep us comfortably in the top tier.  Massive difference. 

Ok, that's obviously fine by me, if he does do the business, and we do remain comfortably in the top tier. My comparison was only in the length of time in the job and not on his capabilities. One swallow doth not a summer make though and we must show some consistency now we are (appear to be) an established, middle of the top table, SPFL side.

John Connolly's legendary status was not diminished, in my eyes, because he 'failed' as a Manager

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saints are needing a revamp end of season bring in players able to take midge cuptie McLean muzz big Frasers places not just squad player s these players have been the main stay of saints in the past apart from muzz you will only get another season or so out of them and we need a commanding experienced centre half like big Fraser at the moment I would get shot of Craig, Sutton,brad MacKay and Scott brown offer contracts to Thompson and lappin as he has the quality to change games

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^^^^^^

this all bloody day long. TW deserved fully the mouthful he got from Ghostie for that alone 

Even though none of us could do the proverbial 'better job' that the 'club can do no wrong' brigade churn out we could only shake our heads in disbelief at what Tommy decided to do

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Seen several people suggesting Spoony to the centre was the obvious change with Thomson on. Wasn't at the game but slightly dubious about that. Spoony may work centrally with one of Millar or Davidson, but asking him to fulfil either of their roles is hardly a recipe for protecting our back line. Also bear in mind Thomson was virtually anonymous on Saturday, that change may only have served to weaken us even more. Not that I'm a fan of Fisher there either.

central midfield is going to be the key area for us over the summer in terms of recruitment as right now our two best players can't be relied upon in terms of fitness and we have little adequate backup.

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Seen several people suggesting Spoony to the centre was the obvious change with Thomson on. Wasn't at the game but slightly dubious about that. Spoony may work centrally with one of Millar or Davidson, but asking him to fulfil either of their roles is hardly a recipe for protecting our back line. Also bear in mind Thomson was virtually anonymous on Saturday, that change may only have served to weaken us even more. Not that I'm a fan of Fisher there either.

central midfield is going to be the key area for us over the summer in terms of recruitment as right now our two best players can't be relied upon in terms of fitness and we have little adequate backup.

Midfield would have been Thomson, Lappin, Craig, Wotherspoon & Swanson. Any combination would have been better than messing about with defence. You don't change your CH's unless they're injured or having a nightmare even in an u13 match. Honestly think we wouldn't have lost a goal if he had kept the back 4 unchanged.

Other concern for me is Spoony's fitness, once he has made a forward run he struggles to get back. Longer endurance runs (40's/80's) would address this weakness in his game.

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Midfield would have been Thomson, Lappin, Craig, Wotherspoon & Swanson. Any combination would have been better than messing about with defence. You don't change your CH's unless they're injured or having a nightmare even in an u13 match. Honestly think we wouldn't have lost a goal if he had kept the back 4 unchanged.

Other concern for me is Spoony's fitness, once he has made a forward run he struggles to get back. Longer endurance runs (40's/80's) would address this weakness in his game.

At Thistles second goal it was embarrassing watching Spoony trying to track back. I don't think we can have him in central midfield as he does not have the pace or tackling ability.

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i may be a bit older than the majority of posters on here, and may have survived some of the "down" years, but ever season in the top league is a successful season.

Realistically lets look at the league and the size of teams playing in it....

 

 

But it could be so much more successful. . Getting a bit old this "we've had bad times 30 years ago" stuff.. the truth is, this could have been one of our best ever seasons,  and we could have fourth all but secured by now if we'd kept up the earlier form. 

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If we'd carried on our early season form, chances are we'd be above Hearts just now as well.

Tommy's changes are a bit hit and miss. He made what looked like 3 shocking changes against Motherwell, yet they changed the game in our favour and we won as a result. Cummins was a genuine contender for MOTM, Sutton won the free kick which we scored our winner from and Lappin delivered a perfect cross.

Thought he was a bit unlucky on Tuesday with the 2 enforced changes. Really not impressed with the second change, but he got the other two right IMO.

 

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If we'd carried on our early season form, chances are we'd be above Hearts just now as well.

Tommy's changes are a bit hit and miss. He made what looked like 3 shocking changes against Motherwell, yet they changed the game in our favour and we won as a result. Cummins was a genuine contender for MOTM, Sutton won the free kick which we scored our winner from and Lappin delivered a perfect cross.

Thought he was a bit unlucky on Tuesday with the 2 enforced changes. Really not impressed with the second change, but he got the other two right IMO.

 

Got to agree re Motherwell, I said something along the lines of "Oh well, looks like he doesn't want to actually win the game" when Lappin came on.. Never been so happy to look like an idiot. 

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But it could be so much more successful. . Getting a bit old this "we've had bad times 30 years ago" stuff.. the truth is, this could have been one of our best ever seasons,  and we could have fourth all but secured by now if we'd kept up the earlier form. 

rather than just judge our success on a half season by half season basis, have a look at the bigger picture. we are now pretty much an spl fixture. in recent years, we're top 6 usually. Some seasons will be better than others, but every season we are in spppffpfl, realistically, we're punching above our weight, given some of the teams around us.

 

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The subs bench is different things to different people.First and foremost it provides cover when you have to make unwanted changes i.e. injuries and red cards.

It is also a useful tool  to replace struggling players for whatever reason form,conditions etc and for countering a particularly strong opponent or exploiting a weak one.

some teams have subs specially to be brought on to score against tiring defences.........we have John Sutton.

I dont pretend to understand all of TWs subs and I praise him when they work but equally feel its not unreasonable to puzzle and comment over the ones that dont.

Nobody gets their subs right all the time,but quite regularly I am plain baffled.

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