auld reekie saint Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 People go on about folk like John Connelly as if he's was world class. To me he was the appalling manager who nearly relegated saints further. He's not a legend in my eyes at all. In 30 years time, it's going to be the likes of McLean et al who are the legends from the past. The guys who will be trotted out onto the pitch and warmly applauded with stories being told. Maybe not legendary status yet, but over time of wager they will. I mean they are more entitled than any other saints player due to actually achieving something. John Connolly was the best Saints player I have ever seen in . Agreed he didn't do well as a manager. But not a legend ? Give us a break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Macca is a legend. Fact. Macca doesn't score enough goals. Fact. Can we all go to lunch now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) A fairly rare occassion where I don't agree with Random.I know Maclean is a Saints legend, I've been there and seen it all, and I've seen enough to know people complaining when he doesn't score goals is folly.John Connolly last played for Saints in 1972 from what I can see, roughly a quarter century before I was born. I'm in no position to say he wasn't a legend, or even to make any comment on his career beyond stats and the words of elders, and as far as I'm aware Random should be in the same position. Stats alone can't determine legend status.Not too sure where Baghdad comes into it though. Edited March 21, 2016 by Jiangsu Sainty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 There's a Braw interview with John Connolly in yesterday's Sunday post.page 21 in the match pullout.priveleged to have seen him play for st.johnstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 A fairly rare occassion where I don't agree with Random.I know Maclean is a Saints legend, I've been there and seen it all, and I've seen enough to know people complaining when he doesn't score goals is folly.John Connolly last played for Saints in 1972 from what I can see, roughly a quarter century before I was born. I'm in no position to say he wasn't a legend, or even to make any comment on his career beyond stats and the words of elders, and as far as I'm aware Random should be in the same position. Stats alone can't determine legend status.Not too sure where Baghdad comes into it though.Hah! I had you down as an old guy. You're quite mature for a youngster.JUST SAY NO. STAY IN SCHOOL. Jiangsu Sainty and sainties sheep 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Im not saying Connolly isnt a legend. Im saying MacLean has far more of a claim to that tag than Connolly, so you cant say Connolly is and MacLean isnt. Their achievements dont match up no matter how much those living in the past hope it does.This is the most successful period in our history, no question, Ormonds era doesnt compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 your obviously too young too understand.john Connolly as a player was world class.have some respect .Agree totally John Connolly as a player is a legend for Stjohnstone and played a vital part in the great period of Stjohnstones history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Apologies to all WAP'ers regarding this thread being turned into a defend McLean one, from an opinion in a post made regarding an off form player not being on the pitch and the marked difference it made in the way the team performed at high tempo and with movement. These will be my last comments on the subject to those who have come back at me regarding my opinion. Comment if you wish. I will not reply. A striker who wears the No 9 does / should not sacrifice himself for anyone in the team, to wear the No 9 that person should be an out and out striker, greedy, selfish and egotistical. Not no the pitch to make someone else look good.18 league games he's played + 2 coming on as a sub = 10 goals = 50% = a reasonable return rate. However not such a good return when you factor in the fact that his last League goal was 17th October, 5 months ago and with only 1 cup goal on the 27th October (yes i know there was a time out with injury) my point remains exactly the same. As a STRIKER his form is rank and should not have been on the pitch as often as he has in these months, that others should have been picked before him, that there was a marked difference in the set up, style and performance of the team on Saturday. He scored against Celtic in the league on 23rd January. Jiangsu Sainty and Jamie_Beatson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I wouldn't base legend status on success alone. Are East Stirling not allowed to have legends?For me it is also about quality, desire, etc, even if in a bad team at a bad time, which is why I don't think either of us can comment on Connolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainties sheep Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 He scored against Celtic in the league on 23rd January. Oooops 1 goal every 2 / 3 months, you're right, that's impressive and worth defending ! Surprised you even deemed that worthy of posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Im not saying Connolly isnt a legend. Im saying MacLean has far more of a claim to that tag than Connolly, so you cant say Connolly is and MacLean isnt. Their achievements dont match up no matter how much those living in the past hope it does.This is the most successful period in our history, no question, Ormonds era doesnt compare.Both are legends for different reasons. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 There is an absolutely brilliant book by Jeff Connor, who followed East Stirling for a year for a laugh. I think it's called "Pointless - a season with Britain's worst football team". It encapsulates everything about following a wee team. Very strongly recommend it. Jiangsu Sainty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Ah, the myth that Connolly nearly relegated us gets trotted out again. It's nonsense but who cares when it suits the agenda. JC is the anti-Christ.we finished 8th in Division 1 didnt we? thats pretty close to relegation in a 10 team league - maybe im wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Oooops 1 goal every 2 / 3 months, you're right, that's impressive and worth defending ! Surprised you even deemed that worthy of posting he scored 9 or 10 in the 3 months before that!!! wtf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 we finished 8th in Division 1 didnt we? thats pretty close to relegation in a 10 team league - maybe im wrong?it was an 18 team league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 it was an 18 team league .no it wasnt fazman1977 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It was a ten team league, but we were never actually in much danger of relegation if memory serves me right, lot of damage done when the season was already over. The opposite of papering over the cracks if you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004–05_Scottish_First_Division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 7 points clear of relegation - thats a bit squeaky bum to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 no it wasntit was an 18 team league when Connolly played chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 it was an 18 team league when Connolly played chief.dont think i quoted anything to do with his playing career chieftain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004–05_Scottish_First_DivisionBiggest away wins, 2 times Partick 0-4 St Johnstone. I miss Firhill for thrills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 wiki on JC"Connolly left Queens in May 2004 to replace Billy Stark as manager of former club St Johnstone, with his former assistant Iain Scott taking over at Queens.[4] After a disappointing first season, Connolly was sacked from his position with St Johnstone on 4 April 2005,[6] with the team finishing in 8th place and only avoiding relegation in the last few weeks of the season. He was succeeded by Owen Coyle." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I would consider Steven Milne more of a legend that Maclean is TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I would consider Steven Milne more of a legend that Maclean is TBHNot subtle enough, 1/10. Jiangsu Sainty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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