AthensSaint Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 The pressure on any manager who takes the Hibs job will be huge next seasonFair enough, the Scottish Cup monkey is off their back, and the cup money has bailed them out a bit, but failure to get promotion next year is not an optionIf they fail to get up, they will be in financial trouble and surely the standard of player they could retain will suffer, in turn making it harder still to get out that league easy job wth Tommy's skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Tell us why Totten was sacked thenHe doesn't know.no Because you don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Don't want to get into a personal argument between you and Athens but was it not because Geoff Brown felt he was not putting enough effort into developing young players and instead looking for cash to buy in experienced players?CorrectThat was the "official " line. Sadly Athens is correct. The bitterness on both sides is adequately reflected in the fact Totten is not welcome at McD, and even if he was offered a chance to attend a game or two, I very much doubt he would choose to. Shame really... For me he was/ is a saints legend- his PR ability was superb. A skill developed selling tyres. Incorrectis this the same guy that done a q an a before the partick game? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 CorrectIncorrectCorrectcorrect .i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Wallace Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 That was the "official " line. Sadly Athens is correct. The bitterness on both sides is adequately reflected in the fact Totten is not welcome at McD, and even if he was offered a chance to attend a game or two, I very much doubt he would choose to. Shame really... For me he was/ is a saints legend- his PR ability was superb. A skill developed selling tyres. rubbish, he was at a game recently, was paraded on the pitch and held up his famous hand knitted Saints scarf. I didn't agree with the decision to sack him at the time, but what you have said is just not true. croc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Totten hasn't been back at McD. Since February this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 There is a widely known story about why Totten really left which would be unwise and unfair to repeat on a public forum. No idea if it's true, but his many visits since suggest either it isn't, or all is forgiven. croc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 In Totten's book (which is quite a good read) he says "I was really disappointed with the way my time came to an end at St Johnstone. To get manager of the year one season and the sack the next was weird. I was left shattered and bewildered by Geoff Brown’s decision - and some of his remarks. The day I was sacked was the worst of my life. Part of me definitely died when he sacked me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saints Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Think the timing was a bit off, and like a fellow postee, reasons not to be shared on a public forum. However, if you had been one of the few Saints fans left standing on an Easter Rd terrace in a cup match you may have understood why? Half the Saints fans didn't return for the 2nd half ... Saints were 6th in the league which would have made the decision seem all the more odd.I was a Totten fan, but I feel in all honesty he had taken Saints as far as he could.... The timing of his departure was odd, but would have happened sooner than later.... croc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejksjfc Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I thought at the time it was the right decision to sack Totten. What cannot be denied is from a PR perspective to be it was handled terribly. I will always be grateful for what he did for Saints but do feel at the end of the day what he is is an excellent lower division manager out of his depth in the Premier league. And yes I know some of our best ever results were in Tottens premier league games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Tottens time was up. Of course the replacement was horrendous! croc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Think the timing was a bit off, and like a fellow postee, reasons not to be shared on a public forum. However, if you had been one of the few Saints fans left standing on an Easter Rd terrace in a cup match you may have understood why? Half the Saints fans didn't return for the 2nd half ... Saints were 6th in the league which would have made the decision seem all the more odd.I was a Totten fan, but I feel in all honesty he had taken Saints as far as he could.... The timing of his departure was odd, but would have happened sooner than later....I was at the Cup match at Easter Road. Totten was sacked before Christmas (remember photos of him in the papers standing behind his Christmas tree?). The Cup match was after Christmas and McLelland was in charge. The timing was strange like you say, but I agree with you - his time had come. And he was sacked for football reasons - whatever Athens wants to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 We've all heard the rumour and I don't know the truth of it or not -- but often there's nae smoke withoot fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saints Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) I was at the Cup match at Easter Road. Totten was sacked before Christmas (remember photos of him in the papers standing behind his Christmas tree?). The Cup match was after Christmas and McLelland was in charge. The timing was strange like you say, but I agree with you - his time had come. And he was sacked for football reasons - whatever Athens wants to think.apologies mind playing tricks... What I do remember was there were grumblings of discontent from some Saints fans re the performances.... I agree he was sacked for football reasons..... Edited June 4, 2016 by Wendy Saints Change of mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Totten did some wonderful things for us. He was the manager when I first started watching Saints, and looking back I think his approach at the time probably played a big part in getting me hooked on the club. I imagine it's probably the same for quite a few of my generation. I think the reasons Geoff Brown gave at the time for getting rid of both him and Bert Paton are pretty much fair enough, but it's pretty hard not to acknowledge the fact that we went downhill fairly quickly after Totten departed. Perhaps that would have happened anyway. Who knows?I do find it sad, though, that some find it appropriate to use the forum to hint at childish rumours and imply that the gossip equals the truth. Clearly, Alex Totten is still very welcome at McDiarmid Park, and always should be. We use the word 'legend' a lot, but he definitely is one. dunkeldneil, Shibbydoo, Cagey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Totten did some wonderful things for us. He was the manager when I first started watching Saints, and looking back I think his approach at the time probably played a big part in getting me hooked on the club. I imagine it's probably the same for quite a few of my generation. I think the reasons Geoff Brown gave at the time for getting rid of both him and Bert Paton are pretty much fair enough, but it's pretty hard not to acknowledge the fact that we went downhill fairly quickly after Totten departed. Perhaps that would have happened anyway. Who knows?I do find it sad, though, that some find it appropriate to use the forum to hint at childish rumours and imply that the gossip equals the truth. Clearly, Alex Totten is still very welcome at McDiarmid Park, and always should be. We use the word 'legend' a lot, but he definitely is one.I think we were regressing under Totten. Whether we would have been relegated under him is a matter of conjecture, as the demise under McLelland was compounded by him apparently losing the dressing room which might not have happened under Totten. Having spoken to McLelland a few times. I'd have to say I found him a very nice guy, but he just wasn't ready for the job. If Sturrock had been appointed earlier then I don't believe relegation would have happened. Saintdunc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 We've all heard the rumour and I don't know the truth of it or not -- but often there's nae smoke withoot fire.Does this mean Lomas was singing the sash in the Royal then dunkeldneil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Totten did some wonderful things for us. He was the manager when I first started watching Saints, and looking back I think his approach at the time probably played a big part in getting me hooked on the club. I imagine it's probably the same for quite a few of my generation. I think the reasons Geoff Brown gave at the time for getting rid of both him and Bert Paton are pretty much fair enough, but it's pretty hard not to acknowledge the fact that we went downhill fairly quickly after Totten departed. Perhaps that would have happened anyway. Who knows?I do find it sad, though, that some find it appropriate to use the forum to hint at childish rumours and imply that the gossip equals the truth. Clearly, Alex Totten is still very welcome at McDiarmid Park, and always should be. We use the word 'legend' a lot, but he definitely is one.WAP in childish rumours scandal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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