MySpazz Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Isn't the problem with PPV broadcasting rights? I'd imagine anything official would need to be sanctioned by the SPL, and that won't happen. It'll just have to be an unofficial stream. I'd rather sponsor some youth players. Set up a 20 minute Skype every 3 months for a chat & regular emails about their development. So long as the stream is geo blocked for overseas viewers only it is ok. Dundee United, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen all have the set up going ... Melbourne Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 So long as the stream is geo blocked for overseas viewers only it is ok. Dundee United, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen all have the set up going ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Geo blocked aye.....see the "privacy" thread ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Look don't get me wrong, I'd love it, but numbers don't stack up. Saints have a small exile support. How could it be feasible commercially? To pay someone skilled for every home game ( I presume away games would be exempt), a decent camera etc will cost a lot. How many exiles would be prepared for a season-long contract? It'd have to be a "virtual" season ticket. And with possibly 20-30 folk willing, or able to afford paying, say 200 a season to pay for the service it has no sense. Then the club opens itself up to irate exiles about the quality, streaming issues & its difficult enough sorting out their own backyard. Different story if there's 500+ that would sign up. Unless we breed a lot, that ain't going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Isn't the problem with PPV broadcasting rights? I'd imagine anything official would need to be sanctioned by the SPL, and that won't happen. It'll just have to be an unofficial stream. I'd rather sponsor some youth players. Set up a 20 minute Skype every 3 months for a chat & regular emails about their development. Penny wise, Pound stupid. When Aberdeen, hearts et al come to town i am sure their exiles would be interested in a game day pass. Point being.... they already film every game!!! So use that link i posted above and broadcast them....but that's too simple cos Saints don't like money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Will there be a special "business class" section? Abernethy Saint, AthensSaint, jhq and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Penny wise, Pound stupid. When Aberdeen, hearts et al come to town i am sure their exiles would be interested in a game day pass. Point being.... they already film every game!!! So use that link i posted above and broadcast them....but that's too simple cos Saints don't like money. Sorry mate, don't get your argument. Yes matches are filmed, for later editing & distribution. Now I confess I don't know the intricacies, but I'd imagine cameras would have to be high spec for live streaming and other associated "stuff". But the main point I disagree with is the notion that away fans would pay a home team to watch a game. I wouldn't pay a cent to Celtic/Aberdeen or whomever to watch saints on their stream. I'd feel I was giving money to their club, not saints. Its different going to a game. Paying at another ground. You feel your physical presence may, even if misguided, lift the team. Your money paid to another club may help the team get a result. And there's the banter, commaraderie etc. And it can lift a team. That's how we justify it. Online streaming does not, and never will. So I wouldn't get your hopes up about away fans subsidising a streaming service for 30-40 saints exiles. thats the difference. And id imagine exiles from other clubs would feel exactly the same. "I'm not giving money to them, when I could give it to my club". I agree. exiles should sponsor a development squad. That makes sense. Edited July 22, 2016 by Melbourne Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I would propose a tiered exiles payment plan- along the lines of an airline "loyalty" card. For example, Per season- Bronze: 50 quid Silver: 75 quid Gold: 100 quid. platinum: 150 - youths benefits would vary according to membership, and may include, for example, seperate access to live communication with staff, players, free access to games when in town, discounted or free shipping o/s for saints gear. Something along those lines. Thoughts? AthensSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) @MelbourneSaint - St Johnstone film every match for analysis and future use. There is a small media team, with a paid staff member (a specialist in video). All the investment has been made. There are then white label services, as per the one posted above which do the rest. I, and a fair few other saintees have certainly paid Aberdeen for their stream, for instance the Cup Semi-final debacle a few years back. Plenty of other ideas for the SLO to work with. There was previously talk of Roddy doing something with the Exiles...a club or such. I already have a club, it's called "St Johnstone", so i'm wondering how they'll find a way to get us Exiles closer to the club to part with some dosh. The PPV thing has been discussed many times before. Some people are willing to sign up for a season ticket. .... 40-50 fans is 4-5% of the current season ticket sales. ..... but as I keep saying: SAINTS DON'T LIKE MONEY!!! Edited July 23, 2016 by MySpazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Ah, but "interest" doth not necessarily equate to reality.... If you're so sure, organise it via Bev. As stated previously, I'd like it. But I can't see it lasting if you get it going. Which I doubt. Still think there's currency to be had in other areas though. And easier. Roddy is good, and I do think a membership scheme is the way. In time that may include streaming. go for it! Alas, I feel it may not come to be. Edited July 23, 2016 by Melbourne Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 So what's your proposed fee?? What are the commercial justifications? Live feed isn't everything. I quite like trawling through the WAP feed and looking at updates when I get up in the morning. Then YouTube but more than happy to sponsor a youth team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Or, too late now, but if saints are taking sponsorship on strips/ shorts, why not give the club money for a logo? Edited July 23, 2016 by Melbourne Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) @mySpazz... You paid for a semi. Fair enough. But the drudgery of paying Aberdeen et al in November league game & get away fans to subsidise it won't work. Base your numbers on 30 (max) exiles & it gets worse. We won't make semis very often, so your underlying premise of drawing in away support is flawed. To expect away fans to make it commercially viable is flawed & downright dangerous. The costs must be minimal to make it work. We don't have a big enough "market" to make streaming work. Nice to have, but ridiculous to implement. Let's have simple stuff, and if good, move on to other gigs. I know. I work in this field.we need to sort basics. but, not one to extinguish enthusiasm. Do it. Edited July 23, 2016 by Melbourne Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthensSaint Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Some excellent ideas already. Exiles, remember that today's game is live on BT Sports channel 1. Hopefully this thread will continue with more posters from abroad giving their own opinion on what we should put forward to the club via Bev/SLO. My idea is a membership card that gives us similar rewards to those given to season ticket holders. So we would have priority to games like Hibs at Tynecastle last season. I personally would be willing to pay between fifty and one hundred pounds dependant on what we were entitled to. Player or youth sponsorship should be a must. Lounge invite around a festive season game for Exiles would be great. I had great fun when a handful of us met up in !London for a televised game. Then of course Times Square on 17/05/2014 was a blast. I'm hoping we can build on this and be affiliated with the club at the same time. Melbourne Saint and essexsaint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepless Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 It has to be something straightforward, inexpensive and easy to administer, otherwise the club wouldn't maintain it and the exiles would drift away. What about a membership scheme that buys season tickets. If an exile returns home they can use it; otherwise (ie most weeks) they can be distributed by a charitable organisation to underprivileged groups. sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Some excellent ideas already. Exiles, remember that today's game is live on BT Sports channel 1. Hopefully this thread will continue with more posters from abroad giving their own opinion on what we should put forward to the club via Bev/SLO. My idea is a membership card that gives us similar rewards to those given to season ticket holders. So we would have priority to games like Hibs at Tynecastle last season. I personally would be willing to pay between fifty and one hundred pounds dependant on what we were entitled to. Player or youth sponsorship should be a must. Lounge invite around a festive season game for Exiles would be great. I had great fun when a handful of us met up in !London for a televised game. Then of course Times Square on 17/05/2014 was a blast. I'm hoping we can build on this and be affiliated with the club at the same time. eady film every game!!! So use that link i posted above and broadcast them....but that's too simple cos Saints don't like money. Bingo! None of this streaming stuff.. We're not big enough. Nice & simple. Pay an exiles fee... Distribute it to youths/ sponsorship etc. And send links to games :-))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ScottMann Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 but as I keep saying: SAINTS DON'T LIKE MONEY!!! I have to disagree. The problem is Saints do like money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Where's the stream?!!!; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Look don't get me wrong, I'd love it, but numbers don't stack up. Saints have a small exile support. How could it be feasible commercially? To pay someone skilled for every home game ( I presume away games would be exempt), a decent camera etc will cost a lot. How many exiles would be prepared for a season-long contract? It'd have to be a "virtual" season ticket. And with possibly 20-30 folk willing, or able to afford paying, say 200 a season to pay for the service it has no sense. Then the club opens itself up to irate exiles about the quality, streaming issues & its difficult enough sorting out their own backyard. Different story if there's 500+ that would sign up. Unless we breed a lot, that ain't going to happen Poor logic in my view. I've paid Aberdeen, Dundee etc many times to watch saints play through their ppv set-up. Why wouldn't we see the same from other supporters watching their team on our ppv also? There's demand out there, more than you may think, can't believe it would cost much. Surely a few trial games? MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 How about paying £20 odd like everyone else? sure, why not. andy rhodes fancy watch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ScottMann Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Why not fund a trial period of ppv for the club? As stated, all the ingredients are already there apart from the ppv facility itself. Funding it would be win, win. If it doesn't work then the club have lost nothing but exiles get to see some games but if it does work then club and fans abroad both gain. You can theorise all you want but the only way to see if something like this would work is to actually do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 What you on about ? So as an exile you'd happily pay £10 to watch a live game but not 20 odd like those who pay at the gate? Utter utter scum, if anything their should be a premium for people who cannot make it for any reason. I for one would certainly pay over the odds if i was stuck at the other end of the planet. And yes i did say ******* Bit harsh mate. No need for that. Let's get back to topic. Like I say, I'd love PPV, but to me the numbers don't tack up. Time will tell & I hope I'm wrong. Cos I like watching saints at 4 am! MySpazz and AthensSaint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Why not fund a trial period of ppv for the club? As stated, all the ingredients are already there apart from the ppv facility itself. Funding it would be win, win. If it doesn't work then the club have lost nothing but exiles get to see some games but if it does work then club and fans abroad both gain. You can theorise all you want but the only way to see if something like this would work is to actually do it. That's what I said. Let's see. But I will never pay another club for PPV. Weather permitting, I'll happily give it all at dens on the 31st. But no way would I contribute to the coags coffers from afar... COYS Edited July 23, 2016 by Melbourne Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) So as an exile you'd happily pay £10 to watch a live game but not 20 odd like those who pay at the gate? I'd be willing to buy a season ticket for all home matches - same price as the non "*****". Edited July 23, 2016 by Tranmere Saintee personal abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 It's called pent up energy... And I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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