Edstar101 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I often see posts on here saying things like 'Tommy will suss them out' etc I don't see it I'm afraid. I'm not saying he's not been a great manager for us, he has, but master tactition, nope We all have opinions on starting line ups, and there will no doubt often be factors than we don't know about that will affect the starting line up on any given day What I notice though is that Tommy seems pretty poor at changing things once a game has started. Whether that be change of formation or tactics, and his timing and general use of subs has never impressed me. When things aren't going well, we rarely turn it around during a game His abilities seem to lie in building a team spirit and getting the most out of players, and that is more probably the reason for our success under his reign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 He gets it right more than he gets it wrong, let's not be the types of fans who turn on absolutely everyone because we suffered an upset. Kyle, MySpazz, Honest Saints Fan and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Great tactician when we are underdogs. Not great when we are the team expected to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDT Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 He is a master result getter! I think Tommy is fantastic at managing his squad over a season. He knows the most important basics required for our league and will always base his side on that. The squad we have right now is simply not a given for top six- yet it's hard to bet against him managing it once again. This year is going to be his toughest task and without a goal scorer and no experienced centre-back back ups- tight wins may turn into tight losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 He gets it right more than he gets it wrong, let's not be the types of fans who turn on absolutely everyone because we suffered an upset. If you read my post properly, I'm not turning on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cristo Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I'm worried he may be about to become the master of his own downfall. If he doesn't stop banging on about budgets and restraints, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a parting of the ways in the not too distant future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I often see posts on here saying things like 'Tommy will suss them out' etc I don't see it I'm afraid. I'm not saying he's not been a great manager for us, he has, but master tactition, nope We all have opinions on starting line ups, and there will no doubt often be factors than we don't know about that will affect the starting line up on any given day What I notice though is that Tommy seems pretty poor at changing things once a game has started. Whether that be change of formation or tactics, and his timing and general use of subs has never impressed me. When things aren't going well, we rarely turn it around during a game His abilities seem to lie in building a team spirit and getting the most out of players, and that is more probably the reason for our success under his reign He's certainly a master tactician compared to your wee fare dodging pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 He's certainly a master tactician compared to your wee fare dodging pal Not difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mental Davie Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Not a master tactician, but works with what he's got to the best of his ability. The same applies to the Trakai game, our squad can only play substandard teams at the same style week in week out, before succumbing to those more modern and techincal - and Thursday was no exception. Ultimately, Tommy will be properly judged if and when he goes somewhere better, because let's be realistic, with the resources we have what more can Tommy do? He's been brilliant for us, but there's no point dwelling on things that are outwith his control - there's only so much you can do with a 1 paced ageing squad - and for that he should be commended and backed more than he currently is on all levels of the game. From the number fans that show up every league game to the control and resources, he's able to access. candalan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Mikey Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Anti-football at times. Master tactician, evidently not with 2 games against Trakai. A master tactician would've found a way to break them down by altering formation and individual player set up. GMac and Cagey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 This thread is massively disrespectful to our greatest ever manager. Tommy will be the first to admit he isn't perfect and he got things wrong against Trakai, but the stuff on this forum is very poor to say the least. FAIR CITY FIRM, blueheaven, Stumpy1949 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 This thread is massively disrespectful to our greatest ever manager. Tommy will be the first to admit he isn't perfect and he got things wrong against Trakai, but the stuff on this forum is very poor to say the least. This. It's incredible how quickly some people turn on folk simply because we've lost a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 This. It's incredible how quickly some people turn on folk simply because we've lost a game. Two games,a Europa cup place & £200k. Tommy has been great for Saints & given us 3 or 4 good years but that doesn't mean he is a master tactician. Just a good manager in a piss poor league. Be interested to know how many games we won due to tactical changes. It's also interesting that we play worse against 10 men than when there is eleven on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted July 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 This. It's incredible how quickly some people turn on folk simply because we've lost a game. Once again...it's not turning on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 It's disgusting how quickly Ed has turned on Tommy imo. His mind has been poisoned by Ratnamara. jhq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Just to be clear, there are other posts on here other than Ed's which are clearly having more of a go at Tommy than he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Tommy isn't perfect, but he's our best ever manager by some distance. And every single time we've hit a short-term dip and he's come in for criticism, he's brought us out the other side of it even stronger and achieved something else. I think he'll go on to guide us to another successful season, and if we have to do it without a pacy forward player, he'll find a way to adapt to that and grind out the results regardless, just as he has done in the past. That's good enough for me. templeofsaints and Dave H 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Tommy isn't perfect, but he's our best ever manager by some distance. And every single time we've hit a short-term dip and he's come in for criticism, he's brought us out the other side of it even stronger and achieved something else. I think he'll go on to guide us to another successful season, and if we have to do it without a pacy forward player, he'll find a way to adapt to that and grind out the results regardless, just as he has done in the past. That's good enough for me. You're quite right, of course, but it's been hard viewing at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave H Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 You're quite right, of course, but it's been hard viewing at times Last season home record and viewing was brutal, the anti-football time wasting in the corner is not required, the opposition are not that great... One of the least enjoyable home seasons in a long time... many teams taking points off us.. so backs up the argument of when we are favourites we struggle tactically.. away from home tactically spot on, to gain points. Finish 4th... You must be tactically good. Improve the home record and wisdom when favourites and we will be in for a great season... But the knifes edge isn't worth thinking about.. terrible away record and no goals being scored (I'm worried who will score enough goals) Not often I quiz Tommy starting line up or his timing of subs. Unlike previous managers. Tommy is good for Saints. We have a ceiling in more ways than one and he delivers success. A different manager to freshen things up will come, but happy with Tommy in charge even though I was raging at his 'Rangers come and get me' interview last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HALLS ANGEL Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Be careful what you wish for I remember some Saints fans saying it's time Willie Ormond, left he's stale his tactics are wrong etc. Then glad when he was succeeded by Jackie Stewart. We had some pretty grim times for most of the next fourteen years. So I say stick with Tommy. GMac, Dave H and Norsaint 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Time to get Billy Stark back. He'll change things. blueheaven, 541ntees, Pat McGroin and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 We should sack Wright and the board should pick the popular choice among the fans. It worked so well with John Connolly - can't see how it can fail. Broggy Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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