andrew Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 What Radford said was right. Wright and Kennedy were like extra full backs with Comrie and Tanser. Watt completely unsupported for the most part. As for Spoony, I’d like to see his stats for pass completion rate - or more likely pass misplace rate. Dreadful second half. Killie were so much better although not great themselves. Yes, it’s early, of course it is, but we need to sort this out very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templeofsaints Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Disappointing performance all round especially when you (occasionally) saw how weak Killies defence was. Watt up front on his own didn't work - it might have if Kennedy and Drey managed to get forward but too often they were living on scraps. There was a slight improvement when McMillan came on to mix it up a bit up front but by then we were pretty much out of the game. We struggled on the pitch but a lack of movement off the ball too often meant panicky clearances instead of trying to play the ball from defence. Zander looked to spill the ball for their first goal but made a good string of saves and couldn't do a thing about their second. The sitting midfielder is needed - but that won't be the magic solution. The rest of the players need to step up to the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Jenko82 said: I didn't attend today and was a bit worried earlier this week when it became apparent that no one had figured out that Foster (who has been playing well of late) was suspended for today. The messing around with formation and personnel was merely blind panic that comrie was going to be given a 90 minute roasting by Jones, again. I would also argue that a new team that was gelling shouldn't be tinkered with like he could with older experienced squads of the past. The games gets filed away as a management team mess up. Anyway its not as if our seasons get measured against how we compete with the likes of Killie. If we can't compete with Killie who we are hoping to vie for top 6 with then we would be as well sitting with 9 men behind the ball for the rest of the season in the hope of avoid the drop. Havana Saint and Shaggy Jenkins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 That was awful. Kilmarnock are well organised, play 4-4-2 and are capable but in no way anything outstanding.. yet they were miles better than us today. They were hungrier, stronger and better on the ball. They pressed us well and forced hopeful punts up to Tony Watt isolated up front. I think that game was right up there as one of Tommy Wright's poorest in terms of his decisions/ tactics in his time as manager here. Opening period we were okay, but once Killie sussed our formation, they bossed it. We were never 3 at the back in my opinion, that was 5 in defence the whole game, maybe to do with the way killie forced us back. After a quiet first half, killie got Jones massively involved after the break and he went past poor Comrie every time. The goal was coming, we were crying out for a tactical change as we could barely string two passes together, but we decided to wait until killie went ahead. We had a brief spell when we went 4-4-2, but again killie got back on top and Tanser rolled a simple pass straight to a killie player which ended up in the second goal, and they might have won by more in the end. Clark had some good stops, though radio suggested first goal was a mistake. Thought all three centre backs did okay overall, full backs were both dreadful, Muzz tried as ever but the three others in midfield; Wotherspoon, Wright and Kennedy were weak. Kennedy is a player, but keeps the ball far too long and tries to do too much, definitely needs to mix it up a bit. Watt actually put a shift in and did what he could, with zero service, and next to no support, tough day for him. Yes only the first game, but a lack of hunger and heart from quite a few of the team. Central midfielder is essential. Aaron Comrie got taken apart the last game he played here, yet as a young player he's thrown in for his first competitive appearance in ages against the same opponent. As poor as he was that second half, felt he was hung out to dry. Only three points, but hopefully get a big reaction for next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave H Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Wasnt there. Bit of a humping was it? 2 going on how many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, Cagey said: If we can't compete with Killie who we are hoping to vie for top 6 with then we would be as well sitting with 9 men behind the ball for the rest of the season in the hope of avoid the drop. Oh wait,that's what we did today wasn't it ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Tommy, Tommy, Tommy... Where to start with that shambles. I think inclusion of Comrie led to us going 5 at the back, but if you’re going to include him, you have to try and fit him into the system. Kerr and Gordon (other than the odd forgivable mistake) were good but that’s the only positives for me. Constant long balls up to Watt for him to try and flick onto the invisible man. No width, Wright and Kennedy were too far inside and too deep for 90% of the game. There was a total lack of urgency in the attacking positions. Stevie Clark obviously told Killie to focus on Comrie at half time and they did that with great success. It was clear to see that the shape wasn’t even close to working. It shouldn’t have taken a Killie goal to bring about a change in formation. That should have been done at half time or earlier. Too little, too late.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Pat McGroin said: Constant long balls up to Watt for him to try and flick onto the invisible man. Stevie Clark obviously told Killie to focus on Comrie at half time and they did that with great success. It was clear to see that the shape wasn’t even close to working. It shouldn’t have taken a Killie goal to bring about a change in formation. Yes YES YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full steam ahead Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Poor performance , Watt got no service and we never looked like scoring . Comrie was on a hiding to nothing and got a hiding. 5 4 1 why did we not stick with 2 up and have a good go. We so need a aggressive box to box midfielder who can put a foot on the ball. Not easy next week but we can't play much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint GB Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Have to agree, formation changed to accommodate Comrie. I don’t want to be too harsh on the young lad but l as long is Foster is fit he’ll be nothing more than a squad player Doesn’t offer much going forward and is too lightweight defensively Really disappointing that we’ve signed three players who are supposed to make us more of a threat going forward yet the manager sets us up to contain Kilmarnock and not lose the match rather than go and win it Tony Watt did as well as he could have done but was always 35+ yards from goal on his own - want to see him paired up front with McMillen Well done to the 389 fans who made the trip, pretty disappointing turn out for the first game of the season after a promising Betfred cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Hadn't realised at the game, but first goal was a bit of a howler by Zander. Second is a wonder strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ScottMann Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Not great by Zander for the first but Muzz is ball watching and hardly moves as his man runs in behind him to score. Cracking shot for the second but he had so much time and space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HALLS ANGEL Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 The other four teams in our Betfred Group were all at home and all lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Saint GB said: Have to agree, formation changed to accommodate Comrie. I don’t want to be too harsh on the young lad but l as long is Foster is fit he’ll be nothing more than a squad player Doesn’t offer much going forward and is too lightweight defensively Really disappointing that we’ve signed three players who are supposed to make us more of a threat going forward yet the manager sets us up to contain Kilmarnock and not lose the match rather than go and win it Tony Watt did as well as he could have done but was always 35+ yards from goal on his own - want to see him paired up front with McMillen Well done to the 389 fans who made the trip, pretty disappointing turn out for the first game of the season after a promising Betfred cup. I’m sure there was a fiddle going on. Crowd announced as 4xxx. Surely it was bigger than that Edited August 5, 2018 by Pat McGroin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 9 hours ago, PauloPerth said: Hadn't realised at the game, but first goal was a bit of a howler by Zander. Second is a wonder strike. Says unavailable mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stumpy1949 Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, sixties saintee said: Says unavailable mate I just pressed YouTube about 2 minuets a go and it came on. Mines also says unavailable. Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jenko82 Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Cagey said: If we can't compete with Killie who we are hoping to vie for top 6 with then we would be as well sitting with 9 men behind the ball for the rest of the season in the hope of avoid the drop. I was being a bit sarcastic there, but yes we should be competing against teams like Killie rather than trying not to get beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Cheers random Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Clarke says we got a bit more space in second half"don't know if their back 3 dropped back a bit" though that would have been hard to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 10 hours ago, HALLS ANGEL said: The other four teams in our Betfred Group were all at home and all lost. Yeah,and we struggled to beat them. Doesn't bode well. Same old same old even though we brought in 3 decent players who I thought would rip a few defences apart. Tactics tactics tactics. Oh for a Steve Clarke,but we couldn't afford him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 11:34 AM, Cagey said: Tactics tactics tactics. Oh for a Steve Clarke,but we couldn't afford him. Bit harsh, as tactically Tommy Wright has been good for us in games against superior opposition especially. We probably take more points off the OF than most teams in the league, for example. But yes, we got it very wrong on Saturday I thought as well, and didn't change it when it was obvious we needed to. Thought we were slow to react to everything, and Killie were far hungrier than us, which is not typical of Saints in recent years. Steven Thompson summed it up well for me on sportscene, we played that game at times as if we were away at Celtic park, with everyone behind the ball, and our only outlet a punt up the park. We should be more than capable of matching a team like killie, and looking to finish above them. Hopefully just an early season blip whilst we sort the midfield out. Big game next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 The punts up to Watt weren't even close to him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 It was set up to shitfest a point imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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