Havana Saint Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47313458 Inept refereeing, poisonous sectarianism at Ibrox tonight... Just another day in Scottish football. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Hopefully they will charge Steve Clarke over his comments, lets get this can o worms opened up once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, sixties saintee said: Hopefully they will charge Steve Clarke over his comments, lets get this can o worms opened up once and for all. Charge Steve Clarke? That would be their normal solution to dealing with sectarian abuse. The only solution is to take points off clubs - it is the only way you will see it stamped out of football grounds. It is a far deeper problem in society unfortunately. nickyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, garydavidson said: Charge Steve Clarke? That would be their normal solution to dealing with sectarian abuse. The only solution is to take points off clubs - it is the only way you will see it stamped out of football grounds. It is a far deeper problem in society unfortunately. Agree wae what your saying GD, but got to start somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, sixties saintee said: Agree wae what your saying GD, but got to start somewhere. I would still think that charging Clarke won't encourage others to speak against the abuse in the future. When you look at the comments on twitter it is shows the sort of issue - Both sets of fans just point and blame the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, garydavidson said: I would still think that charging Clarke won't encourage others to speak against the abuse in the future. When you look at the comments on twitter it is shows the sort of issue - Both sets of fans just point and blame the other. Mr Sutherland will get Pelter's for that I would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunblanemike Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Scottish clubs voted against introducing strict liability back in 2013, claiming it was a step too far (docking points, closing stands etc). Time to have another vote I reckon. sixties saintee, south inch and Havana Saint 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 We need to agree that sectarianism is first and foremost Anti-Catholicism. Scotland has been a country who historically has not welcomed Irish Catholics. "Catholics need not apply" was commonly written in job adverts. In 2019, the Catholic community has had to put up with appalling abuse and singing from certain "fans". Orange marches past churches are still happening in this country in 2019. It's almost an accepted social norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 It needs to be rooted out, whoever it is directed toward, believers of faith, non believers ,I could go on and on with a list. It is a poison which blights our society and not welcome in a modern Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejksjfc Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Havana Saint said: We need to agree that sectarianism is first and foremost Anti-Catholicism. Scotland has been a country who historically has not welcomed Irish Catholics. "Catholics need not apply" was commonly written in job adverts. In 2019, the Catholic community has had to put up with appalling abuse and singing from certain "fans". Orange marches past churches are still happening in this country in 2019. It's almost an accepted social norm. I cant agree that sectarianism is anti-Catholicism it is every bit as reprehensible coming from "catholic" septic fans as it is from the other cheek of the same arse. I do however agree with the rest of your post. I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, ejksjfc said: I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. I will need to have a look back at what was said at the time but I don't think clubs were happy with how it would be implemented and how punishments were to be handed out. There are a lot of conditions and situations to consider it's use and I guess that is the sticking point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 hours ago, ejksjfc said: I cant agree that sectarianism is anti-Catholicism it is every bit as reprehensible coming from "catholic" septic fans as it is from the other cheek of the same arse. I do however agree with the rest of your post. I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. As Steve Clark says it has roots in the west coast Most of these guys don't know why they have each others. It is down to they have each other because of what club or religious cult you follow. The sooner they move down south or to Europe the better. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickyg Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Points deduction is perhaps the best idea reckon 10 points for incidents like the Steve Clarke one for starters, 15 for a second offence and so on. Make it so draconian the offenders will shit themselves. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 He mentions Alex Dyer, who I was kitman for at his job before Killie............one classy classy guy. He mentions his kids in England. I have had the luxury of avoiding sectarianism, and whenever I hear it I am kinda fascinated by the people, how they ACTUALLY believe it. I look and listen to it, like Clarke says, like i would a racist, with sympathy for the dead head that's operating the mouth. Scotland to have any hope of success in sport or as a nation needs rid of that garbage. As someone above posted, I too vote for getting the OF to fk out of the league, let them go to England. Without the OF so much sectarianism would evaporate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Cagey said: As Steve Clark says it has roots in the west coast Most of these guys don't know why they have each others. It is down to they have each other because of what club or religious cult you follow. The sooner they move down south or to Europe the better. Fair point but don't forget if they move south they will still be playing in Glasgow. You can just see a revised format for Sportscene, an hour devoted to the ugly sisters games against Fleetwood and Burton Albion (don't think they will get straight into the Premier or the Championship) followed by a quick 15 minutes run round "Scottish football today". Fortunately, I do not think the Sassenachs will touch them with the proverbial barge pole. Strict liability, imposed if necessary, is the only answer. There would not have been a cheap out of the Sevco boys on Wednesday if they were at risk of being kicked out of the cup. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
541ntees Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 The police can do something about cyber bullying so why don’t they do something about every idiot who posts on these forums and social media? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 17 hours ago, MySpazz said: He mentions Alex Dyer, who I was kitman for at his job before Killie............one classy classy guy. He mentions his kids in England. I have had the luxury of avoiding sectarianism, and whenever I hear it I am kinda fascinated by the people, how they ACTUALLY believe it. I look and listen to it, like Clarke says, like i would a racist, with sympathy for the dead head that's operating the mouth. Scotland to have any hope of success in sport or as a nation needs rid of that garbage. As someone above posted, I too vote for getting the OF to fk out of the league, let them go to England. Without the OF so much sectarianism would evaporate. Steve Clarke has nothing to do with Celtic!! The vile abuse he was subjected to was purely and simply down to the fact that he is a Roman Catholic. That is horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 8:56 PM, Havana Saint said: Steve Clarke has nothing to do with Celtic!! The vile abuse he was subjected to was purely and simply down to the fact that he is a Roman Catholic. That is horrific. I'm always fascinated by how these guys even know (or claim to know) people's religions. I have no idea what the religious beliefs are of any footballers in Scotland. Possibly because I don't care. I still remember Paddy Connolly getting booed once when coming on at Ibrox, presumably because his name is Paddy. 541ntees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 2/21/2019 at 11:42 AM, dunblanemike said: On 2/21/2019 at 11:42 AM, dunblanemike said: Scottish clubs voted against introducing strict liability back in 2013, claiming it was a step too far (docking points, closing stands etc). Time to have another vote I reckon. On 2/21/2019 at 8:29 PM, ejksjfc said: I cant agree that sectarianism is anti-Catholicism it is every bit as reprehensible coming from "catholic" septic fans as it is from the other cheek of the same arse. I do however agree with the rest of your post. I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. In a recent BBC survey/poll of the 42 senior clubs on "Strict Liability" only 3 clubs wanted it, those being Q-of-S., Annan & Partick. 14 clubs said they would vote against, including Saints. 17 clubs said they were unwilling to comment. 8 clubs failed to respond , among those were Celtic , Hearts & Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indicator Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Saints Response: https://jamesdornanmsp.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/sl109-54207468.pdf Some very valid points IMHO and... at least the club responded to the survey - robustly! (To use a term frequently employed by the current ibrox incumbents) Very telling - those clubs that are the major source of the problems refused to respond at all. Edited March 27, 2019 by Indicator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 The problem for the small clubs like Saints is that the chickenshits at the SFA are likely to punish them rather than the two clubs where perhaps 80% of the problems occur, as this excellent article explains as part of a wider discussion of the state of the game in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708 south inch and Cagey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
541ntees Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 I’m still not sure about strict liability what I am sure about is that clubs shouldn’t be voting on it. The sfa/spfl need to grow a set an start making rules about this and forcing the clubs to comply Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazman1977 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 12:59 PM, Abernethy Saint said: The problem for the small clubs like Saints is that the chickenshits at the SFA are likely to punish them rather than the two clubs where perhaps 80% of the problems occur, as this excellent article explains as part of a wider discussion of the state of the game in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708 too right, they would. you just need to look at heavy handed stewarding telling saints fans to sit down when bigger teams go to grounds and stand up all game with nothing said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 12:59 PM, Abernethy Saint said: The problem for the small clubs like Saints is that the chickenshits at the SFA are likely to punish them rather than the two clubs where perhaps 80% of the problems occur, as this excellent article explains as part of a wider discussion of the state of the game in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708 The only club I can remember having its ground closed for crowd trouble was - wait for it - Huntly FC. Some supporters taking a short cut across the pitch at the end of a game allegedly pushed the referee over. Christie Park was closed for 2 months in punishment. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee in exile Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 St Mirren goalkeeper hit with an object throw from the crowd tonight.Be surprised if anything is done about it, different matter if it was one of the smaller teams responsible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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