Cagey Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 If Saints had played Rangers & got a draw or less they would not have got 6th. If we had played Hibs & got a draw or less we would not have got 6th. £125 grand is a bonus so hopefully Saints will do what they can for those players being allowed to go & will no longer be furloughed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, south inch said: doh forgot about the 0 I stand corrected, I will take my books to the back of the class and stay there. You will be in fine company wae Hoodlum south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, sixties saintee said: You will be in fine company wae Hoodlum That's what's wrong these days, Nae respect for your seniors. I'll have you know I went to the 4th best school in the country. Well, it said it was List D. & approved. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Cagey said: If Saints had played Rangers & got a draw or less they would not have got 6th. If we had played Hibs & got a draw or less we would not have got 6th. £125 grand is a bonus so hopefully Saints will do what they can for those players being allowed to go & will no longer be furloughed. Cagey I think a large proportion of that money will go out on players and staff bonuses. Sure there was a post last season about the players being ona significant bonus to get into top 6. Saints business plan would be based on getting 2 or 3 good crowds at mcd including an of game. So they will not have gained that much by getting 6 the I don't think. Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Anderson released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Cagey said: If Saints had played Rangers & got a draw or less they would not have got 6th. If we had played Hibs & got a draw or less we would not have got 6th. If we had played Hibs that Saturday and won and livi had got beat we would have been in 5th or if we had played and beaten Rangers we would have been level with Livi. Cagey and blueheaven 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 9 hours ago, HOODLUM65 said: That's what's wrong these days, Nae respect for your seniors. I'll have you know I went to the 4th best school in the country. Well, it said it was List D. & approved. I Aye that's the problem aw you auld anes keep living in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 hours ago, mainstand said: Cagey I think a large proportion of that money will go out on players and staff bonuses. Sure there was a post last season about the players being ona significant bonus to get into top 6. Saints business plan would be based on getting 2 or 3 good crowds at mcd including an of game. So they will not have gained that much by getting 6 the I don't think. Yeah, forgot about top 6 bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Dundee extending players contracts temporarily following advice from SPFL, in order to allow players to continue on furlough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 hours ago, sixties saintee said: Aye that's the problem aw you auld anes keep living in the past For some the fact us oldies keep living is the problem HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 hours ago, mainstand said: Dundee extending players contracts temporarily following advice from SPFL, in order to allow players to continue on furlough. Typical Dundonions. Working the system & we the taxpayer pay for it. mainstand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, Stumpy1966 said: For some the fact us oldies keep living is the problem Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, Cagey said: Typical Dundonions. Working the system & we the taxpayer pay for it. Are you for real? I’d be very disappointed if we don’t do the same. Costs the club nothing. These guys can’t find a club just now. They pay their fair share of tax and many have young families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pat McGroin said: Are you for real? I’d be very disappointed if we don’t do the same. Costs the club nothing. These guys can’t find a club just now. They pay their fair share of tax and many have young families. Woosh. R.B.B:- Adz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Good to see Craig,Booth & KANE signed even if just to January. 4 young guys signed as well but surprised to see O'Reilly & Struthers allowed to go but I suppose they don't have resources to pay them all. Hopefully we can get Drey Wright signed but think his agent will be touting him about & we will not know anything until he signed for us or someone else. Would hope that we could put a timescale on it & not end up like the May cafuffle. Edited May 25, 2020 by Cagey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Cagey said: Good to see Craig,Booth & KANE signed even if just to January. 4 young guys signed as well but surprised to see O'Reilly & Struthers allowed to go but I suppose they don't have resources to pay them all. Hopefully we can get Drey Wright signed but think his agent will be touting him about & we will not know anything until he signed for us or someone else. Would hope that we could put a timescale on it & not end up like the May cafuffle. Absolutely no rush with Drey. We had no chance of retaining him before COVID but this is going to be a weird year. Clubs will be running small squads, paying less and the balance of power will switch from player to club. There will be no shortage of out of work talent. Havana Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 12:01 PM, Pat McGroin said: Are you for real? I’d be very disappointed if we don’t do the same. Costs the club nothing. These guys can’t find a club just now. They pay their fair share of tax and many have young families. According to some clubs it has been confirmed by legal advisers and HMRC that extending a players contract in order to get furlough payments when there is no intention of retaining the services of that player is illegal. Did see that the players union have also now advised that this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 47 minutes ago, mainstand said: According to some clubs it has been confirmed by legal advisers and HMRC that extending a players contract in order to get furlough payments when there is no intention of retaining the services of that player is illegal. Did see that the players union have also now advised that this is the case. Yeah, Roy McGregor of County took that advice. Amy McDonald slagging him & Dunfermline off for not working the system. I think County made up the difference from 80% to 100%. Roy McGregor is an honourable man. Amy McDonald is a ????. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, mainstand said: According to some clubs it has been confirmed by legal advisers and HMRC that extending a players contract in order to get furlough payments when there is no intention of retaining the services of that player is illegal. Did see that the players union have also now advised that this is the case. I'm not sure how anyone could prove whether or not there's any intention of retaining the player's services? A club could easily want a player to stay right now, but no longer want them six months from now - it happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, mainstand said: According to some clubs it has been confirmed by legal advisers and HMRC that extending a players contract in order to get furlough payments when there is no intention of retaining the services of that player is illegal. Did see that the players union have also now advised that this is the case. This is the same government that said it was possible for businesses to re-hire staff members that had left a company just before the furlough deadline purely so they could receive furlough payments? Those 2 things don’t stack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Pat McGroin said: This is the same government that said it was possible for businesses to re-hire staff members that had left a company just before the furlough deadline purely so they could receive furlough payments? Those 2 things don’t stack up. Nothing does wae that lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, blueheaven said: I'm not sure how anyone could prove whether or not there's any intention of retaining the player's services? A club could easily want a player to stay right now, but no longer want them six months from now - it happens all the time. I think it is the case where there is a serious doubt but not where the decision is made and using the scheme is simply a way round keeping the player getting a wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Pat McGroin said: This is the same government that said it was possible for businesses to re-hire staff members that had left a company just before the furlough deadline purely so they could receive furlough payments? Those 2 things don’t stack up. slightly different in that they were giving companies the option of rehiring staff who they were going to be laying off as a result of covid 19 in the hope that they will be able to recommence trading when the problem is over. Different form keeping someone on your books that you don't want there and who's contract has expired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, mainstand said: slightly different in that they were giving companies the option of rehiring staff who they were going to be laying off as a result of covid 19 in the hope that they will be able to recommence trading when the problem is over. Different form keeping someone on your books that you don't want there and who's contract has expired. No, they were allowing people that had left for new jobs but missed the furlough deadline, or left to start at business etc to rejoin their old company to ensure they had a wage. This was confirmed in interviews with Sunak at the time. It wasn’t just for companies that had laid staff off. your company can also claim furlough and allow you to work elsewhere while on furlough, so I’d be amazed if this was an issue. Edited May 26, 2020 by Pat McGroin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 On 5/25/2020 at 8:19 PM, Cagey said: Good to see Craig,Booth & KANE signed even if just to January. 4 young guys signed as well but surprised to see O'Reilly & Struthers allowed to go but I suppose they don't have resources to pay them all. Hopefully we can get Drey Wright signed but think his agent will be touting him about & we will not know anything until he signed for us or someone else. Would hope that we could put a timescale on it & not end up like the May cafuffle. Yes, glad to see 4 young guys being retained who could make their mark in the future. If Holt is not signed up, expect Ballantyne to be included in 1st team pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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