Player contracts and transfers

[Cagey]

11 minutes ago, Linky said:

I have this horrible feeling that we're going to sign Marc McNulty and let Hendry go.

It's not up to us to let Hendry go. He can walk.

[Lt. Col Kojak Slaphead II]

12 minutes ago, Linky said:

I have this horrible feeling that we're going to sign Marc McNulty and let Hendry go.

unsure of the first part but from what I do know is it is about 99% certain that Hendry will be away after Monday. 

[Havana Saint]

12 hours ago, HOODLUM65 said:

Reece Devine released by Man.Utd.

Just saying....

Because he is not very good?

[Havana Saint]

5 hours ago, Lt. Col Kojak Slaphead II said:

unsure of the first part but from what I do know is it is about 99% certain that Hendry will be away after Monday. 

He has been treated appallingly by the club, I would definitely want to be at an employer where I felt wanted. Thank God for his goals.

[THE LARK SAINT]

2 minutes ago, Havana Saint said:

Because he is not very good?

Sometimes players that have not looked great at Saints  develop into good players 

Ralston good example 

so Devine could turn into top player 

[Mad on saints]

4 goals in 7 games E2 and Callum up front next season.

[blueheaven]

9 hours ago, Havana Saint said:

Because he is not very good?

Bit harsh I think. I thought Devine and Muller both looked pretty good at times and in the right circumstances I reckon they could have done well for us. But inexperienced players like that just weren't equipped for the shit-show that our season was going to become and were never going to be what we needed. Even more so Dendoncker who arrived at a time when we were in an absolute mess. A kid like that was never going to come in and make a difference.

We seriously need to up our game in the transfer market this summer, but if we weren't able to do that when we were the double-winners offering European football, crap knows how we're going to do it when we're either favourites to go down or already down.

[Havana Saint]

Devine and many others were and are not top flight material. 

[Saintdunc]

2 hours ago, Havana Saint said:

Devine and many others were and are not top flight material. 

Might do moderately well in a lower tier though! 

[RandomGuy]

On 5/19/2022 at 7:35 AM, blueheaven said:

 

 

We seriously need to up our game in the transfer market this summer, but if we weren't able to do that when we were the double-winners offering European football, crap knows how we're going to do it when we're either favourites to go down or already down.

They tried last Summer, as you know, to make sure what went on was never repeated. A specialist brought in to help Davidson prepare for windows 6+ months in advance.

Davidson successfully got him sacked and the whole system scrapped.

So aye, we're exactly where we were 12 months ago. No planning for the Summer window because the manager is focusing on the games and doesn't have time to look for players. 

[Linky]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy said:

They tried last Summer, as you know, to make sure what went on was never repeated. A specialist brought in to help Davidson prepare for windows 6+ months in advance.

Davidson successfully got him sacked and the whole system scrapped.

So aye, we're exactly where we were 12 months ago. No planning for the Summer window because the manager is focusing on the games and doesn't have time to look for players. 

I agree completely. The bit I don’t get it: the Chairman brings in the specialist, the specialist resigns (I’m not sure he was sacked) presumably because of in-fighting or power struggles. Why doesn’t the chairman care that Davidson did this? We know he didn’t have a great relationship with Tommy, so what’s the difference this time which means that throughout all this time, the Chairman says nothing?

[RandomGuy]

25 minutes ago, Linky said:

I agree completely. The bit I don’t get it: the Chairman brings in the specialist, the specialist resigns (I’m not sure he was sacked) presumably because of in-fighting or power struggles. Why doesn’t the chairman care that Davidson did this? We know he didn’t have a great relationship with Tommy, so what’s the difference this time which means that throughout all this time, the Chairman says nothing?

You'd hope Steve Brown would clarify it after Monday, but I think he relies on Scott Boyd to deal with the footballing side of things.

A man who's avoided a remarkable amount of criticism despite Kirsten Robertson getting absolutely slaughtered weekly on here.

[blueheaven]

4 hours ago, RandomGuy said:

They tried last Summer, as you know, to make sure what went on was never repeated. A specialist brought in to help Davidson prepare for windows 6+ months in advance.

Davidson successfully got him sacked and the whole system scrapped.

So aye, we're exactly where we were 12 months ago. No planning for the Summer window because the manager is focusing on the games and doesn't have time to look for players. 

Agree with you. What I'd love to know is:

• Was Davidson consulted on the decision to bring in a specialist to help with transfers?
• If so, did he object at the time?
• Did Davidson have final approval on our signings?
• What's the strategy for finding and attracting players going forward (beyond phoning Millwall and asking who's not getting a game and fancies a few months in Scotland).

 

[RandomGuy]

9 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

Agree with you. What I'd love to know is:

• Was Davidson consulted on the decision to bring in a specialist to help with transfers?
• If so, did he object at the time?
• Did Davidson have final approval on our signings?
• What's the strategy for finding and attracting players going forward (beyond phoning Millwall and asking who's not getting a game and fancies a few months in Scotland).

 

I don't know the answer to the first two, but Davidson had the final say on all incoming transfers.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

2 minutes ago, RandomGuy said:

I don't know the answer to the first two, but Davidson had the final say on all incoming transfers.

I think both CD and the HOR shoulder this to be honest. It feels like little to no actual homework was done on these guys barring a quick hilight reel, some 'monyball' spreadsheet and a quick look at football manager....he then sees them in the flesh and there is major work to do on them or they just don't fit at all.

We have paid good money for these guys, did anyone actually see them in the flesh regulary, speak to folk around the game etc etc. We basically bought cars from autotrader sight unseen.

[Cagey]

44 minutes ago, Shaggy Jenkins said:

I think both CD and the HOR shoulder this to be honest. It feels like little to no actual homework was done on these guys barring a quick hilight reel, some 'monyball' spreadsheet and a quick look at football manager....he then sees them in the flesh and there is major work to do on them or they just don't fit at all.

We have paid good money for these guys, did anyone actually see them in the flesh regulary, speak to folk around the game etc etc. We basically bought cars from autotrader sight unseen.

100% and we have a double barreled striker who hasn't even seen the bench. Summer window was a disgrace  and January a disaster as well as costing us a load of money with no return.

[RandomGuy]

49 minutes ago, Shaggy Jenkins said:

I think both CD and the HOR shoulder this to be honest. It feels like little to no actual homework was done on these guys barring a quick hilight reel, some 'monyball' spreadsheet and a quick look at football manager....he then sees them in the flesh and there is major work to do on them or they just don't fit at all.

We have paid good money for these guys, did anyone actually see them in the flesh regulary, speak to folk around the game etc etc. We basically bought cars from autotrader sight unseen.

I don't see how either could've watched many in the flesh, even Hallberg due to his injuries.

Was told you need 6+ months to evaluate players and understand what you're getting.

[Johnny B]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy said:

Was told you need 6+ months to evaluate players and understand what you're getting.

Do we ever spend that length of time evaluating players and dose the evaluating?

Or does CD state what position he needs filled and we accept who we think is the best available on a free

[RandomGuy]

1 minute ago, Johnny B said:

Do we ever spend that length of time evaluating players and dose the evaluating?

Or does CD state what position he needs filled and we accept who we think is the best available on a free

As it is Davidson is now responsible for identifying players, scouting them, approaching them and signing them.

If he repeats how he approached the 3 windows he was doing this role, before he got help for the January window, he'll condense all that into a phone call to Gary Rowett or Allan Preston.

[Broggy Man]

On 5/15/2022 at 8:35 PM, Shibbydoo said:

We are in deep sh it, no matter what happens the next 2 games.

Utterly disgraceful this has been allowed to happen.

You still have to question the board as to why when they had a fair idea Mcann was gonna be gone they did not spend in the summer I can’t remember a decent winter signing