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2 hours ago, blueheaven said:

I'm not sure how anyone could prove whether or not there's any intention of retaining the player's services? A club could easily want a player to stay right now, but no longer want them six months from now - it happens all the time.

I think it is the case where there is a serious doubt but not where the decision is made and using the scheme is simply a way round keeping the player getting a wage. 

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2 hours ago, Pat McGroin said:

This is the same government that said it was possible for businesses to re-hire staff members that had left a company just before the furlough deadline purely so they could receive furlough payments?

Those 2 things don’t stack up.  

slightly different in that they were giving companies the option of rehiring staff who they were going to be laying off as a result of covid 19 in the hope that they will be able to recommence trading when the problem is over.  Different form keeping someone on your books that you don't want there and who's contract has expired. 

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6 hours ago, mainstand said:

slightly different in that they were giving companies the option of rehiring staff who they were going to be laying off as a result of covid 19 in the hope that they will be able to recommence trading when the problem is over.  Different form keeping someone on your books that you don't want there and who's contract has expired. 

No, they were allowing people that had left for new jobs but missed the furlough deadline, or left to start at business etc to rejoin their old company to ensure they had a wage. 
 

This was confirmed in interviews with Sunak at the time. It wasn’t just for companies that had laid staff off. 
 

your company can also claim furlough and allow you to work elsewhere while on furlough, so I’d be amazed if this was an issue. 

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On 5/25/2020 at 8:19 PM, Cagey said:

Good to see Craig,Booth & KANE signed even if just to January.

4 young guys signed as well but surprised to see O'Reilly & Struthers allowed to go but I suppose they don't have resources to pay them all.

Hopefully we can get Drey Wright signed but think his agent will be touting him about & we will not know anything until he signed for us or someone else. Would hope that we could put a timescale on it & not end up like the May cafuffle.

Yes, glad to see 4 young guys  being retained who could make their mark in the future.

If Holt is not signed up, expect Ballantyne to be included in 1st team pool.

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Does someone have an updated list of our squad as it stands for next season?

Sorry can't find one anywhere, but have a feeling we might be looking a lot better than a lot of other squads in the league.

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6 minutes ago, Shibbydoo said:

Does someone have an updated list of our squad as it stands for next season?

Sorry can't find one anywhere, but have a feeling we might be looking a lot better than a lot of other squads in the league.

St Johnstone 2020/21

Goalkeepers

1: Zander Clark (27) - 2022

12: Elliot Parish (29) - 2021

45: Ross Sinclair (19) - 2021

 

Defenders

2: Wallace Duffy (21) - 2021

3: Scott Tanser (25) - 2021

4: Jamie McCart (22) - 2022

15: Jason Kerr (23) - 2022

23: Liam Gordon (24) - 2021

24: Callum Booth (28) - January 2021

N/A: Shaun Rooney (23) - 20??

 

Midfielders

8: Murray Davidson (32) - 2021

10: David Wotherspoon (30) - 2021

17: Michael O'Halloran (29) - 2021

18: Ali McCann (20) - 2023

26: Liam Craig (33) - January 2021

38: Cammy Ballantyne (20) - 20??

49: Oliver Hamilton (18) - 20??

 

Strikers

9: Chris Kane (25) - January 2021

14: Stevie May (27) - 2021

22: Callum Hendry (22) - 2022

43: John Robertson (18) - 20??

50: Jordan Northcott (18) - 20??

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1 hour ago, RandomGuy said:

St Johnstone 2020/21

Goalkeepers

1: Zander Clark (27) - 2022

12: Elliot Parish (29) - 2021

45: Ross Sinclair (19) - 2021

 

Defenders

2: Wallace Duffy (21) - 2021

3: Scott Tanser (25) - 2021

4: Jamie McCart (22) - 2022

15: Jason Kerr (23) - 2022

23: Liam Gordon (24) - 2021

24: Callum Booth (28) - January 2021

N/A: Shaun Rooney (23) - 20??

 

Midfielders

8: Murray Davidson (32) - 2021

10: David Wotherspoon (30) - 2021

17: Michael O'Halloran (29) - 2021

18: Ali McCann (20) - 2023

26: Liam Craig (33) - January 2021

38: Cammy Ballantyne (20) - 20??

49: Oliver Hamilton (18) - 20??

 

Strikers

9: Chris Kane (25) - January 2021

14: Stevie May (27) - 2021

22: Callum Hendry (22) - 2022

43: John Robertson (18) - 20??

50: Jordan Northcott (18) - 20??

interesting! Shows this will be a big year in more ways than one.  As good as this squad is, some key players out of contract this time next year. Big job for new manager - get squad up and running / performing and assessing players ahead of January window. 

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5 hours ago, RandomGuy said:

St Johnstone 2020/21

Goalkeepers

1: Zander Clark (27) - 2022

12: Elliot Parish (29) - 2021

45: Ross Sinclair (19) - 2021

 

Defenders

2: Wallace Duffy (21) - 2021

3: Scott Tanser (25) - 2021

4: Jamie McCart (22) - 2022

15: Jason Kerr (23) - 2022

23: Liam Gordon (24) - 2021

24: Callum Booth (28) - January 2021

N/A: Shaun Rooney (23) - 20??

 

Midfielders

8: Murray Davidson (32) - 2021

10: David Wotherspoon (30) - 2021

17: Michael O'Halloran (29) - 2021

18: Ali McCann (20) - 2023

26: Liam Craig (33) - January 2021

38: Cammy Ballantyne (20) - 20??

49: Oliver Hamilton (18) - 20??

 

Strikers

9: Chris Kane (25) - January 2021

14: Stevie May (27) - 2021

22: Callum Hendry (22) - 2022

43: John Robertson (18) - 20??

50: Jordan Northcott (18) - 20??

Add Wright and Butcher to this and a decent manager and I think we can look out our passports again

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I think it depends on what formation might be played. Either way, we need an extra centre midfielder. Holt or Butcher would be fine, and the former might be happier to sign a contract with a wage that isn't too high. I imagine Butcher would be on a higher wage than Holt.

If Wright leaves, I would like to see 5-3-2, and for us to sign an extra centre back who can also play in midfield if necessary. 

Otherwise, if Wright leaves, we'll need a winger who could play on the left too, or someone as back-up for Wotherspoon. Neither of which are easy.

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Ballantyne is coming into the squad after a similar season to McCann, I think.

He played 21 games for Montrose last season.

No idea what type of central midfielder he is, but theres a chance he can contribute next season.

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Never seen Ballantyne play. If he can offer back-up then great. However, we've lost Holt and Butcher, I don't think we can replace both of these with one 20 year-old.

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1 hour ago, Linky said:

I think it depends on what formation might be played. Either way, we need an extra centre midfielder. Holt or Butcher would be fine, and the former might be happier to sign a contract with a wage that isn't too high. I imagine Butcher would be on a higher wage than Holt.

If Wright leaves, I would like to see 5-3-2, and for us to sign an extra centre back who can also play in midfield if necessary. 

Otherwise, if Wright leaves, we'll need a winger who could play on the left too, or someone as back-up for Wotherspoon. Neither of which are easy.

Wouldn't like to go into season with Spoony & Mikey as our only wide option. That is why I wanted to keep O'Rielly.

Not sure any of the young guys can play as out and out wingers.

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2 minutes ago, Abernethy Saint said:

Don’t think we’ll be signing anyone new now when we can pick up what we need for pennies in a few months.

Jonny Hayes free but wants to go to Dons or Well.

Its great having the squad for 2020/21 more or less signed but we don't get the excitement of wondering who we are going to sign.

The pool of players available is huge & good standard but we don't need them.

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58 minutes ago, Cagey said:

Jonny Hayes free but wants to go to Dons or Well.

Its great having the squad for 2020/21 more or less signed but we don't get the excitement of wondering who we are going to sign.

The pool of players available is huge & good standard but we don't need them.

They are welcome to him.

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2 hours ago, Linky said:

Never seen Ballantyne play. If he can offer back-up then great. However, we've lost Holt and Butcher, I don't think we can replace both of these with one 20 year-old.

Davidson is returning too, he missed the second half of last season.

Definitely agree wide players look like the priority, but if Wright signs we could easily start the season with that squad and feel relatively happy.

I think Kilmarnock have four players signed up for next season.

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4 hours ago, RandomGuy said:

Ballantyne is coming into the squad after a similar season to McCann, I think.

He played 21 games for Montrose last season.

No idea what type of central midfielder he is, but theres a chance he can contribute next season.

Haven't seen Ballantyne play for some time now.

Last time, he and Ali McCann were dovetailing well in the youths.

Think he'll be a fringe player, making late sub appearances. 

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16 hours ago, Cagey said:

Wouldn't like to go into season with Spoony & Mikey as our only wide option. That is why I wanted to keep O'Rielly.

Not sure any of the young guys can play as out and out wingers.

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. If we only have Wotherspoon & O’Halloran as wingers, I’d prefer to play 5-3-2, with either of them in a central role just behind the main striker (so more like 5-3-1-1 I suppose)

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