Cagey Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, south inch said: There are loads of suggestions on Sportsound and other discussion programmes as to how best deal with the current problem. The only common factor I have noted is the oft repeated phrase "it will depend on discussions with the TV companies". Confirmation of who controls world sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Cagey said: Confirmation of who controls world sport. The problem is, Prize Money comes direct from the TV companies. It’s very much down to them if they’ll pay up the whole sum without 100% of the content, or pay up early. Unlikely, given that I’m about to cancel my Sky Sports for a few months and I suspect many others will be too. Melbourne Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 14 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said: Absolutely no way large gatherings will resume by May. August is more realistic. agreed, and then this virus is sure to come back at a later date, what then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 I believe things will ease back back late June based on closely following our china operation and their feedback on the cycle. But they shut everything down for 4-6 weeks once they realized the severity, west has been slow to follow suit. Virus will come back again in 4th quarter, and by then we should have as good a vaccine as we can in place...our governor is very aggressive here, saying schools will probably be out for rest of school year (shut for 4 weeks now), and shut down all restaurants, bars, public gatherings starting 9pm tonight. Odd and scary times, think ill be more on the preppers forums than footy ones for a while! garydavidson, HertsAgain and MySpazz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Cleveland-Saint said: I believe things will ease back back late June based on closely following our china operation and their feedback on the cycle. But they shut everything down for 4-6 weeks once they realized the severity, west has been slow to follow suit. Virus will come back again in 4th quarter, and by then we should have as good a vaccine as we can in place...our governor is very aggressive here, saying schools will probably be out for rest of school year (shut for 4 weeks now), and shut down all restaurants, bars, public gatherings starting 9pm tonight. Odd and scary times, think ill be more on the preppers forums than footy ones for a while! I think what you’re saying is completely wrong. Infected areas in China shut down completely. People have been forced to be housebound for 5+ weeks, and still are. meanwhile here the schools are open, Bath half marathon went ahead yesterday, as did Cheltenham festival last week. There is no danger that we’ll be anything like China in getting this under control. Best estimates for a vaccine right now is 12-18 months because it has to go through the process. It has to go through a substantial animal testing then human testing process before anything can be produced to scale HertsAgain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Worth noting that the Scottish Government have not banned large gatherings, they have advised that large gatherings are not held where there is a requirement to have the emergency services present. I work in an Office of more than 500, no restriction. The Playhouse in Edinburgh for instance has been and will in the meantime continue to run for the Lion King with 3000 folk, as they don't require the emergency services to be present. Virtually none of the lower league teams in Scotland would require ambulance or police to be present during a match and very seldom have more than 500 at a game. The present arrangements are contradictory to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mainstand said: Worth noting that the Scottish Government have not banned large gatherings, they have advised that large gatherings are not held where there is a requirement to have the emergency services present. I work in an Office of more than 500, no restriction. The Playhouse in Edinburgh for instance has been and will in the meantime continue to run for the Lion King with 3000 folk, as they don't require the emergency services to be present. Virtually none of the lower league teams in Scotland would require ambulance or police to be present during a match and very seldom have more than 500 at a game. The present arrangements are contradictory to say the least. The SG stuff is advisory because they have no devolved power to make it mandatory. What they can do and have done is effectively ban events where emergency services provision is required by withdrawing that provision. So top tier football is effectively banned, cinemas are not. The imminent UK ban will be mandatory, but it may not be universal, at least not yet. The confusion is partly because the UK government has not got its communications act in gear yet (the daily news conferences starting today will help greatly), and partly because the Scottish government is moving faster than the UK government, and organisations and the general public are moving much faster than both of them. It’s quite confusing. What is clear is that we’re all going to be required to isolate more and more (possibly gradually, possibly in big steps), and a full lockdown may only be a few weeks away. There is no rational reason whatsoever to believe the very restrictive measures on the continent will not be replicated here, and some reason to believe it will be worse here because the UK response has been slow. In this context, restarting football is just not a priority, and pretty soon even talking about it would be fairly ridiculous. Shit, it would appear, is real. Take care everybody. Edited March 16, 2020 by Abernethy Saint john.w, Cleveland-Saint, garydavidson and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy rhodes fancy watch Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 12:01 PM, Abernethy Saint said: Ok, £20 bet, winnings to Saints, that Saints do not play a competitive first team game before August 1 2020. Are we on? Abernethy Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Pat McGroin said: I think what you’re saying is completely wrong. Infected areas in China shut down completely. People have been forced to be housebound for 5+ weeks, and still are. meanwhile here the schools are open, Bath half marathon went ahead yesterday, as did Cheltenham festival last week. There is no danger that we’ll be anything like China in getting this under control. Best estimates for a vaccine right now is 12-18 months because it has to go through the process. It has to go through a substantial animal testing then human testing process before anything can be produced to scale I said that China completely shut down for 4-6 weeks! Our china operations/businesses are back at work, open for business, having lunch in restaurants out and about with clients...only exception is our Wuhan office that remains closed. We do temp readings on any visitors/trucker etc coming to our locations. So based on this, is why I'm thinking late June for western countries, especially if they do hard lock downs like we are seeing in the US. Here's an article outlining attractions being re-opened also. https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/2003164416/ I'm in the freight business, and we are on calls with China daily. Outbound vessels and customers volumes/forecasts are back to 80% levels, year over year. Bookings/volumes strengthening across all sectors. So from our perspective, things are normalizing there, as well as SE Asia. I believe that governments/private sector will come together and we will see a vaccine in record time, I think 12-18 months is extremely unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 hours ago, mainstand said: Worth noting that the Scottish Government have not banned large gatherings, they have advised that large gatherings are not held where there is a requirement to have the emergency services present. I work in an Office of more than 500, no restriction. The Playhouse in Edinburgh for instance has been and will in the meantime continue to run for the Lion King with 3000 folk, as they don't require the emergency services to be present. Virtually none of the lower league teams in Scotland would require ambulance or police to be present during a match and very seldom have more than 500 at a game. The present arrangements are contradictory to say the least. We just made a decision today to have all our employees to work from home, across all 43 offices in the US. Not sure why the UK is behind on all this, is there any reason why Scotland hasn't mandated any bans on large gatherings? I agree, it feels very contradictory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
california_saintee Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Cleveland-Saint said: We just made a decision today to have all our employees to work from home, across all 43 offices in the US. Not sure why the UK is behind on all this, is there any reason why Scotland hasn't mandated any bans on large gatherings? I agree, it feels very contradictory. It seems like the UK government can't make its mind up. They're shutting some stuff to delay the spread, but they're also promoting an accelerated herd-immunity strategy (which no other country is). I suspect it's just a matter of time before you're all in the shit with the rest of us. I've been working from home for the past week and and a half. Schools shut today for a month. Kids are annoying me already. Stores are out of toilet paper and the pubs are closed. And there's no bloody fitba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, california_saintee said: It seems like the UK government can't make its mind up. They're shutting some stuff to delay the spread, but they're also promoting an accelerated herd-immunity strategy (which no other country is). I suspect it's just a matter of time before you're all in the shit with the rest of us. I've been working from home for the past week and and a half. Schools shut today for a month. Kids are annoying me already. Stores are out of toilet paper and the pubs are closed. And there's no bloody fitba. china side saying, dont worry about toilet paper, just make sure you have coffee, apparently they ran out!! Id rather be doing the flannel on my arse than no cup of Joe in the morning. Kids are going to be a nightmare for me also if this drags on.... thanks god for x-box right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Cleveland-Saint said: I said that China completely shut down for 4-6 weeks! Our china operations/businesses are back at work, open for business, having lunch in restaurants out and about with clients...only exception is our Wuhan office that remains closed. We do temp readings on any visitors/trucker etc coming to our locations. So based on this, is why I'm thinking late June for western countries, especially if they do hard lock downs like we are seeing in the US. Here's an article outlining attractions being re-opened also. https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/2003164416/ I'm in the freight business, and we are on calls with China daily. Outbound vessels and customers volumes/forecasts are back to 80% levels, year over year. Bookings/volumes strengthening across all sectors. So from our perspective, things are normalizing there, as well as SE Asia. I believe that governments/private sector will come together and we will see a vaccine in record time, I think 12-18 months is extremely unlikely. My point was that I don’t see the U.K. locking down millions of people effectively on house arrest like China did, so I don’t foresee a quick resolution. I don’t think Brits would accept that at all. Wuhan is really the most import area when talking about mass infection. Interesting to read that a man in Japan has been infected for a second time too, a month after coming off the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunblanemike Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) One issue with the lock down in Wuhan province was that virtually all movement there is by public transport. Close that down and there is an effective lockdown. In the UK a lot of us move via motor vehicles, very difficult to shut down without a lot of police presence. anyway, the UK gov had a straight choice between protecting the people or keeping the economy ticking over.....no real need to guess which one these Tory parasites chose! Edited March 16, 2020 by dunblanemike garydavidson and Havana Saint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Pat McGroin said: My point was that I don’t see the U.K. locking down millions of people effectively on house arrest like China did, so I don’t foresee a quick resolution. I don’t think Brits would accept that at all. Wuhan is really the most import area when talking about mass infection. Interesting to read that a man in Japan has been infected for a second time too, a month after coming off the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. Agree. Interesting situation here in the states where you have 50 independent decision makers versus just the central government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltrane Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Cleveland-Saint said: I believe that governments/private sector will come together and we will see a vaccine in record time, I think 12-18 months is extremely unlikely. I see there already testing a vaccine with 45 volunteers in Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Potential vaccines have already been developed - that’s the easy bit. The delay is in the testing, first on animals, and then humans. It won’t take long to determine if they work. The issue is side-effects, ie whether your next child is born with gills, three willies and wants to support Rangers*. Or it gives you toe cancer, or something. Ever since thalidomide, testing is extremely onerous and lengthy. It can be shortened in emergencies, but the shorter it is, the higher the risk, and remember almost everyone might be given it. They might rush it out, but that’s a hell of a call. Every year there is at least one new flu - vaccines are developed not for that outbreak, that year, but to incorporate it into the flu vaccine for next year. in short, the length of the lockdown probably isn’t related to the availability of a vaccine - that’s for the second wave, next winter. It’s related to how long it takes the first wave to run out of hosts and burn out. That can only be achieved through isolation. China and South Korea have done it (it looks like), and so can we, but we have to do what they did, and drop the “but we’re BRITISH” shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/14/2020 at 12:47 AM, Ginger Bakers rebel army said: Cash in bank on last report and accounts: Hamilton 120k Livi 206k County 266k Well 476k Fake saints 502k Jam tarts 591k New rangers 1.03m Killie 1.15m Dons 2.01m Our wee team 2.17m Hibees 4.2m Green monster bulging biscuit tin overflowing with cash. With substantial running costs, off field income will be critical, can't see banks being allowed to keep clubs going, can see redundancies happening quickly at some clubs in both playing and non playing staff. Much as I slag of the Brown's for lack of communication you can't help but thank them with their financial prudence. There's 9 SPFL clubs in a worse cash position than ours. Scarry times for Scottish football. Thankyou Ginger! I didn't realise how f#cked the league is. What a mess. Killie are stuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Abernethy Saint said: Potential vaccines have already been developed - that’s the easy bit. The delay is in the testing, first on animals, and then humans. It won’t take long to determine if they work. The issue is side-effects, ie whether your next child is born with gills, three willies and wants to support Rangers*. Or it gives you toe cancer, or something. Ever since thalidomide, testing is extremely onerous and lengthy. It can be shortened in emergencies, but the shorter it is, the higher the risk, and remember almost everyone might be given it. They might rush it out, but that’s a hell of a call. Every year there is at least one new flu - vaccines are developed not for that outbreak, that year, but to incorporate it into the flu vaccine for next year. in short, the length of the lockdown probably isn’t related to the availability of a vaccine - that’s for the second wave, next winter. It’s related to how long it takes the first wave to run out of hosts and burn out. That can only be achieved through isolation. China and South Korea have done it (it looks like), and so can we, but we have to do what they did, and drop the “but we’re BRITISH” shite. I work on commercialing new technology, through Walter Eliza Hall Institute (WEHI) and other research labs. There is no quick fix. It's a monster. it takes 10-15 years to go through clinical trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Also, don't believe the Chinese. They have no cure. They just lock down. They are even claiming on Weibo that it originated in US.!!!! State propoganda. China is stuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Abernethy Saint said: Potential vaccines have already been developed - that’s the easy bit. The delay is in the testing, first on animals, and then humans. It won’t take long to determine if they work. The issue is side-effects, ie whether your next child is born with gills, three willies and wants to support Rangers*. Or it gives you toe cancer, or something. Ever since thalidomide, testing is extremely onerous and lengthy. It can be shortened in emergencies, but the shorter it is, the higher the risk, and remember almost everyone might be given it. They might rush it out, but that’s a hell of a call. Every year there is at least one new flu - vaccines are developed not for that outbreak, that year, but to incorporate it into the flu vaccine for next year. in short, the length of the lockdown probably isn’t related to the availability of a vaccine - that’s for the second wave, next winter. It’s related to how long it takes the first wave to run out of hosts and burn out. That can only be achieved through isolation. China and South Korea have done it (it looks like), and so can we, but we have to do what they did, and drop the “but we’re BRITISH” shite. This is very different Abernethy. It's not a normal flu. That kills 80,000 per annum. This jumps borders like no other. It will take 5-10 years to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Jack Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, Melbourne Saint said: Thankyou Ginger! I didn't realise how f#cked the league is. What a mess. Killie are stuffed. I'm maybe not reading this properly...why are Killie stuffed?....they look like they are in a pretty healthy(ish) position. Hearts on the other hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Papa Jack said: I'm maybe not reading this properly...why are Killie stuffed?....they look like they are in a pretty healthy(ish) position. Hearts on the other hand.... Killie have a false donor. They'll pull the cash soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Melbourne Saint said: Killie have a false donor. They'll pull the cash soon enough. Rangers look more stuffed to me than anyone. Only a week’s cash in the bank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said: Potential vaccines have already been developed - that’s the easy bit. The delay is in the testing, first on animals, and then humans. It won’t take long to determine if they work. The issue is side-effects, ie whether your next child is born with gills, three willies and wants to support Rangers*. Or it gives you toe cancer, or something. Ever since thalidomide, testing is extremely onerous and lengthy. It can be shortened in emergencies, but the shorter it is, the higher the risk, and remember almost everyone might be given it. They might rush it out, but that’s a hell of a call. Every year there is at least one new flu - vaccines are developed not for that outbreak, that year, but to incorporate it into the flu vaccine for next year. in short, the length of the lockdown probably isn’t related to the availability of a vaccine - that’s for the second wave, next winter. It’s related to how long it takes the first wave to run out of hosts and burn out. That can only be achieved through isolation. China and South Korea have done it (it looks like), and so can we, but we have to do what they did, and drop the “but we’re BRITISH” shite. This is on point It's what we're being told by local Cleveland clinic specialists, the key is this burns out and we have a vaccine in place for winter wave. Ohio is being aggressive on this, hopefully rest of the country and UK follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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