Rob Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Utterly ridiculous. Aberdeen and Celtic player(s) broke the rules. Their club is responsible for the players understanding and adhering to the rules. It sounds like Killie and St Mirren didnt understand the rules (although we dont know how clear they were). Should be same punishment. Dont know how going out for a meal with a large group is much different from car sharing. Both outside the football grounds. Edited December 3, 2020 by Rob none Shaggy Jenkins, Cagey and blueheaven 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, garydavidson said: That is exactly it. There is plenty of time for those fixtures to be played, the clubs should be punished but others shouldn't benefit from them simply due to the luck of fixture scheduling. I thought this punishment was it. Can't see them playing the games . Some other teams might be in the same boat later in the season without the possibility of playing the game thus penalising them with others getting the chance to play their games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Rob said: Utterly ridiculous. Aberdeen and Celtic player(s) broke the rules. Their club is responsible for the players understanding and adhering to the rules. It sounds like Killie and St Mirren didnt understand the rules (although we dont know how clear they were). Should be same punishment. Dont know how going out for a meal with a large group is much different from car sharing. Both outside the football grounds. They couldn’t dock A & C 3 points for Covid rule infringement because there were then no Covid rules. Now there are, they can, and they have. No democratic country imposes laws retrospectively. The real question is, why were there no Covid rules? Arrogance and incompetence, that’s why. Focusing on inconsistency is letting them off the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Rob said: Utterly ridiculous. Aberdeen and Celtic player(s) broke the rules. Their club is responsible for the players understanding and adhering to the rules. It sounds like Killie and St Mirren didnt understand the rules (although we dont know how clear they were). Should be same punishment. Dont know how going out for a meal with a large group is much different from car sharing. Both outside the football grounds. St Mirren broke the rules within their own training ground, and on their team buses to travelling to games. Its impossible for them to argue they weren't aware of protocol breaches. Every club was forced to hire a specific "Covid officer" who would learn all the protocols and make sure they were enforced. Aberdeen players went to a pub at 10 o'clock at night. Aberdeen could easily argue they couldn't police that. Its shite but a harsh precedent had to be set. I doubt any other club will take any risks with protocols now. Edited December 4, 2020 by RandomGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Looks like Livingston could be next in line for a free 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, south inch said: Looks like Livingston could be next in line for a free 3 points. Is relegation this season going depend on who were to meet covid breaking teams ?. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, Cagey said: Is relegation this season going depend on who were to meet covid breaking teams ?. It could do, if the numbers fall the “right” way, yes. Is that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Stephen Robinson doing a good " ah sure 'tis a terrible shame" act. Unfortunately for him the BBC printed his remarks under a photo of him with an ear to ear grin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Saint Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 The punishment should only affect the teams that broke the rules not the others in the league. Sensible thing would have been to deduct points from offenders only and play the matches asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 hours ago, south inch said: Looks like Livingston could be next in line for a free 3 points. Mellon said yesterday all his players had tested negative. Things can change pretty quick as it seems you can be negative one day & positive the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Cagey said: Mellon said yesterday all his players had tested negative. Things can change pretty quick as it seems you can be negative one day & positive the next. Got that wrong ,they are only isolating due to contact with positive staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said: They couldn’t dock A & C 3 points for Covid rule infringement because there were then no Covid rules. Now there are, they can, and they have. No democratic country imposes laws retrospectively. The real question is, why were there no Covid rules? Arrogance and incompetence, that’s why. Focusing on inconsistency is letting them off the hook. I realise there needed to be a deterent but in order for them to be fair the rules needed to be in place at the start of the season. The incidents at Aberdeen and Celtic seemed to be the catalyst for these new rules yet they got off lightly in comparison. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, RandomGuy said: St Mirren broke the rules within their own training ground, and on their team buses to travelling to games. Its impossible for them to argue they weren't aware of protocol breaches. Every club was forced to hire a specific "Covid officer" who would learn all the protocols and make sure they were enforced. Aberdeen players went to a pub at 10 o'clock at night. Aberdeen could easily argue they couldn't police that. Its shite but a harsh precedent had to be set. I doubt any other club will take any risks with protocols now. Well nothing would surprise me if the rules were shambolic and open to interpretation. I wouldnt be surprised if every club was investigated if there wasnt some sort of rule breaking if they look hard enough. Surely as well as rules within the grounds there would be rules for players outside of the grounds and despite maybe not being able to police them they still have to be accountable to an extent. Edited December 4, 2020 by Rob policed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 ICT were playing QoS tonight. From one end of the country to the other. Does that mean that the entaurage of 20 or so all drove individual cars to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 United breaking the rules for the second time,See what happens now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, tucker said: United breaking the rules for the second time,See what happens now Never heard anymore about what punishment Connolly or the club got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 Team photo and nine people isolating ,the snp clinical director tweeted about it they'll get something done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 17 hours ago, tucker said: Team photo and nine people isolating ,the snp clinical director tweeted about it they'll get something done From the little I have heard and having seen the photo. 49 including Dundee United players, coaches, medical staff were part of the photoshoot. I can just about accept there could have been confusion at Killie about the distance at meals with government guidelines changing and football guidelines differing. But this photo thing, what were they thinking? Apparently other teams including Celtic did the same. Lets hope Saints stay clear of any controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Rob said: From the little I have heard and having seen the photo. 49 including Dundee United players, coaches, medical staff were part of the photoshoot. I can just about accept there could have been confusion at Killie about the distance at meals with government guidelines changing and football guidelines differing. But this photo thing, what were they thinking? Apparently other teams including Celtic did the same. Lets hope Saints stay clear of any controversy. Celtic? Right whole team into isolation, 3 - 0 win and 3 points to the team they are due to play tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 I'm not up to speed on this mess, but roughly understand.... How long before Covid is detected (may be quicker test now????) That could wreck the league. Everyone in contact with positive persons will have to quarantine. That would include opposition players, officials etc. There's a player in England (forgot his name) who broke the rules a second time by having mates over for a game of poker. It is up to clubs to police player behaviour. It is up to the SFA to penalize. If it happens at Saints, I'd be okay if we were docked points. The season is at risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Melbourne Saint said: I'm not up to speed on this mess, but roughly understand.... How long before Covid is detected (may be quicker test now????) That could wreck the league. Everyone in contact with positive persons will have to quarantine. That would include opposition players, officials etc. There's a player in England (forgot his name) who broke the rules a second time by having mates over for a game of poker. It is up to clubs to police player behaviour. It is up to the SFA to penalize. If it happens at Saints, I'd be okay if we were docked points. The season is at risk. Players are tested, I think, 2 or 3 times a week. The chances of it taking out the entire league in one go is low. We may end up with a fortnight shut down if theres some major breach, but theres too much testing going on for it to really spread that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 21 hours ago, RandomGuy said: Players are tested, I think, 2 or 3 times a week. The chances of it taking out the entire league in one go is low. We may end up with a fortnight shut down if theres some major breach, but theres too much testing going on for it to really spread that much. Problem is, it could be an ongoing problem, i.e. clubs/ players are affected at different times during the season, which would lead to a massive fixture mess. Complicated by the fact that Covid patients can be re-infected. Better hope this vaccine works, but the focus should rightly be on front line medical staff & high risk people. Footballers may not get it for quite a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 5:35 PM, Rob said: From the little I have heard and having seen the photo. 49 including Dundee United players, coaches, medical staff were part of the photoshoot. I can just about accept there could have been confusion at Killie about the distance at meals with government guidelines changing and football guidelines differing. But this photo thing, what were they thinking? Apparently other teams including Celtic did the same. Lets hope Saints stay clear of any controversy. I don't think there has been any changes players and coaching staff have to physically distance from each other whilst off the pitch, I am not even sure that they are allowed to shower at the end of a game yet. Notice on you tube the teams arriving both teams having 2 buses with players having to be distanced on buses aswell. So i dont think there really is any excuse for ST Mirren or Killie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 I passed Annan athletic bus yesterday and they must have small squad only had one bus. Also just outside Glasgow not sure why Glasgow mind but saw Peterhead mini bus no way they social distancing inside that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 I was a bit surprised on Sunday to see that the Celtic players are still doing their pre-match huddle. Surely that's something that shouldn't be happening at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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