The big COVID-19 Shutdown

[MrBored]

 Surely that can't be right what Kris Boyd is saying.....Duffy left the Celtic bubble and up to today Celtic were saying he wouldn't be available as he left the bubble.....now he is in the starting line up?

Madness.

[chips]

6 minutes ago, MrBored said:

 Surely that can't be right what Kris Boyd is saying.....Duffy left the Celtic bubble and up to today Celtic were saying he wouldn't be available as he left the bubble.....now he is in the starting line up?

Madness.

Yeah watched that too, kinda sums up celtic. Can imagine the uproar IF any of the players involved tonight test positive over the next few days. 

[dave mc]

The Timothys are trying for null and void, before 30 game cut off comes imo 

[mainstand]

Saints play Dundee United tomorrow and one of the United players have Covid, Saints squad catches it and as a result 6 players are out . Will Saints get a postponement of semi final? 

Hibs play tonight and test negative at the weekend,  and then catch Covid from whoever they are playing, and blame it on Celtic match, it appears they have been told game will be postponed. 

Surely to god the SPFL have not given them that assurance. 

[chips]

How is this right  ???  Why was he allowed to play ?? 

 

[mainstand]

26 minutes ago, chips said:

How is this right  ???  Why was he allowed to play ?? 

 

Because he provided a negative test before rejoining the bubble. They explained it before the match. 

 

[saintgscot]

13 hours ago, mainstand said:

The big difference was that these were not team visits but players heading off on holiday, and given permission by the CLub. Tottenham had one of their star players head off to Los Angeles and end up with Covid aswell. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/12040/12184879/wsl-how-dubai-trip-prompted-postponements-and-anger-in-dark-week-for-womens-football
 

I get it’s holidays but is that not what Celtic done as a team r and r. Team holiday.

[Cagey]

1 hour ago, saintgscot said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/12040/12184879/wsl-how-dubai-trip-prompted-postponements-and-anger-in-dark-week-for-womens-football
 

I get it’s holidays but is that not what Celtic done as a team r and r. Team holiday.

Doesn't seem to have done Celtic any good. They looked knackered with 10 mins to go.

Too much sun ?.

[mainstand]

7 hours ago, saintgscot said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/12040/12184879/wsl-how-dubai-trip-prompted-postponements-and-anger-in-dark-week-for-womens-football
 

I get it’s holidays but is that not what Celtic done as a team r and r. Team holiday.

These were players going with their partners off on a holiday in the sun and posting and then having t delete pics from instagram of it. Completely different. 

Going by the films and pictures on the Celtic twitter account it was far from a team holiday, but they may be false as well. I think the pictures of when they first arrived in dubai with the players at the pool and sitting watching the tele are the ones being referred to where it looked like R and R only. 

 

Edited January 12, 2021 by mainstand

[blueheaven]

This part from that Hibs statement (assuming it is the Hibs statement above) doesn't sit at all well with me:

"We have been assured by the SPFL that any Covid-19 issues that may arise from fulfilling this fixture will be taken into account, and the semi-final postponed if required."

... which sounds to me like the SPFL are saying it's OK if a Hibs player catches Covid from a Celtic player, because it'll be taken into account later. So never mind the fact that that could mean the Hibs player(s) becoming seriously unwell. Apparently that doesn't matter, as long as fixture issues are sorted out. To me that suggests a complete disregard for the safety of the players. No wonder Hibs are furious about it.

[Abernethy Saint]

14 hours ago, mainstand said:

I wish I shared your oprimism.

Test positivity is 11 percent you can't go completely by number of positives as it depends how many tests we have. 

Number in hospital increasing and no in ICU also increased. 

It’s not optimism. It’s a fact that the number of cases (Seven Day Average) is coming down, in response to the Boxing Day Lockdown. It may be a false dawn: nobody knows.

Hospital and death numbers are still going up, for two reasons: 

1/ They obviously lag case numbers, by roughly 2-3 weeks and 4-6 weeks respectively. They  will start to come down as well after those periods. The next 2-4 weeks, however, will be hell in the NHS, and parts may buckle. Don’t get ill. Really - don’t get ill.

2/ Hospital numbers are also up because treatments have improved a lot, and the survival rate is well up (rate, not numbers). Sorry to be brutal, but ill people take up beds, dead people don’t.

Round about now, the first people who should be ill, are not, because of the vaccine. By end of February, the groups that contribute 88% of Covid deaths will have had the jag. We’re told that these folk not only won’t die, but if they still get it, they won’t require hospitalisation. So numbers should fall very dramatically.

By late spring, the picture should be: lots of daft youngsters still getting it but not dying, and hardly any crumblies getting it and therefore also not dying - of Covid, anyway.

The next few weeks are going to be hell. After that, it should get dramatically better. If the vaccine works, and continues to work. This is why the League have only brought in a 3 week suspension, and why talk of abandoning the season is premature,

[Abernethy Saint]

Various graphs and numbers here. 

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1200709/coronavirus-in-scotland-track-the-spread-in-these-charts-and-maps/

Footnote: I’m not an optimist. I’m a miserable git who’ll be spending the late morning live-streaming the Covid funeral of Henry Anderson, friend and very respected local PKC Councillor. But things will get better. Hang in there, and DONT GET ILL.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Abernethy Saint

[Cagey]

3 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said:

It’s not optimism. It’s a fact that the number of cases (Seven Day Average) is coming down, in response to the Boxing Day Lockdown. It may be a false dawn: nobody knows.

Hospital and death numbers are still going up, for two reasons: 

1/ They obviously lag case numbers, by roughly 2-3 weeks and 4-6 weeks respectively. They  will start to come down as well after those periods. The next 2-4 weeks, however, will be hell in the NHS, and parts may buckle. Don’t get ill. Really - don’t get ill.

2/ Hospital numbers are also up because treatments have improved a lot, and the survival rate is well up (rate, not numbers). Sorry to be brutal, but ill people take up beds, dead people don’t.

Round about now, the first people who should be ill, are not, because of the vaccine. By end of February, the groups that contribute 88% of Covid deaths will have had the jag. We’re told that these folk not only won’t die, but if they still get it, they won’t require hospitalisation. So numbers should fall very dramatically.

By late spring, the picture should be: lots of daft youngsters still getting it but not dying, and hardly any crumblies getting it and therefore also not dying - of Covid, anyway.

The next few weeks are going to be hell. After that, it should get dramatically better. If the vaccine works, and continues to work. This is why the League have only brought in a 3 week suspension, and why talk of abandoning the season is premature,

As Main stand says. All optimism not fact.

[south inch]

5 hours ago, blueheaven said:

This part from that Hibs statement (assuming it is the Hibs statement above) doesn't sit at all well with me:

"We have been assured by the SPFL that any Covid-19 issues that may arise from fulfilling this fixture will be taken into account, and the semi-final postponed if required."

... which sounds to me like the SPFL are saying it's OK if a Hibs player catches Covid from a Celtic player, because it'll be taken into account later. So never mind the fact that that could mean the Hibs player(s) becoming seriously unwell. Apparently that doesn't matter, as long as fixture issues are sorted out. To me that suggests a complete disregard for the safety of the players. No wonder Hibs are furious about it.

Good post, the above is a quote from the Hibs statement as posted on their website..

The statement also says that the SPFL refused to make Celtic conduct an "on the day test" of their players.  This is a test which gives a result within 30 minutes.  Positive and negative results are rarely contradicted by the full test which usually takes 24 hours.  One wonders why the SPFL refused such a simple precaution.  Again it is easy to see why Hibs are angry.

[mainstand]

4 hours ago, south inch said:

Good post, the above is a quote from the Hibs statement as posted on their website..

The statement also says that the SPFL refused to make Celtic conduct an "on the day test" of their players.  This is a test which gives a result within 30 minutes.  Positive and negative results are rarely contradicted by the full test which usually takes 24 hours.  One wonders why the SPFL refused such a simple precaution.  Again it is easy to see why Hibs are angry.

Playing devils advocate. Saints have a positive test, Hamilton had 2 players positive before we played them did we consider we were in danger. 

If players and clubs are that worried that they don't want to play in case they pick up the virus we should be looking at suspending football for a few weeks. There is as much chance of players picking virus up in Leith, Glasgow and Perth as they have in Dubai. 

Yes it was stupid going to Dubai but think it's 257 positive cases in English league this week none of them were from teams going to  Dubai. This pandemic is world wide. 

[south inch]

7 minutes ago, mainstand said:

Playing devils advocate. Saints have a positive test, Hamilton had 2 players positive before we played them did we consider we were in danger. 

If players and clubs are that worried that they don't want to play in case they pick up the virus we should be looking at suspending football for a few weeks. There is as much chance of players picking virus up in Leith, Glasgow and Perth as they have in Dubai. 

Yes it was stupid going to Dubai but think it's 257 positive cases in English league this week none of them were from teams going to  Dubai. This pandemic is world wide. 

All perfectly fair points.  Didn't want to quote the full Hibs statement, but they were basing their request on the fact they had just been told Celtic had 16 players and staff self isolating and the known incubation period of the virus.

[Cagey]

Scotland's 42 senior clubs asking SFA what has happened to £20 million bailout.

Maxwell says it is due to Brexit red tape.

I know Brexit gets the blame for everything at the moment but can't see how it could effect the loans or grants.

[mainstand]

8 hours ago, Cagey said:

Scotland's 42 senior clubs asking SFA what has happened to £20 million bailout.

Maxwell says it is due to Brexit red tape.

I know Brexit gets the blame for everything at the moment but can't see how it could effect the loans or grants.

Possibly changes in state aid rules or just the loan and grant letters held up with legal. 

Edited January 13, 2021 by mainstand

[Havana Saint]

Society is just not taking this seriously and football is right in the middle of the problem

 

[Cagey]

1 hour ago, mainstand said:

Possibly changes in state aid rules or just the loan and grant letters held up with legal. 

I thought maybe they had a problem getting it through customs.

[blueheaven]

13 hours ago, mainstand said:

Playing devils advocate. Saints have a positive test, Hamilton had 2 players positive before we played them did we consider we were in danger. 

If players and clubs are that worried that they don't want to play in case they pick up the virus we should be looking at suspending football for a few weeks. There is as much chance of players picking virus up in Leith, Glasgow and Perth as they have in Dubai. 

Yes it was stupid going to Dubai but think it's 257 positive cases in English league this week none of them were from teams going to  Dubai. This pandemic is world wide. 

I think the logistics and different stages of travel involved in going to Dubai and staying together in a hotel make the risks much higher than sticking to the normal routine of staying at home and only heading out in your car to go to the training ground. There's also the risk of players/staff taking the UK strain out to Dubai and spreading it to others while they're there.

Yes, players staying here in the UK are still catching it because there's never going to be a 100% Covid-proof system, but there's taking minimal risks in order to do your job and and then there's taking completely unnecessary risks that involve travelling to the other side of the world.

[ejksjfc]

Celtic have issued an apology to their fans, but looking at the statement they are not really apologising for their conduct. They are apologising to their own fans for getting caught.

[andrew]

1 hour ago, ejksjfc said:

Celtic have issued an apology to their fans, but looking at the statement they are not really apologising for their conduct. They are apologising to their own fans for getting caught.

They think they’ve been affected more than most! They actually said that. That isn’t an apology it’s an excuse.

[saintgscot]

[Templar Saint]

Kilmarnock and St Mirren win appeal against walk overs given to Motherwell and Hamilton due to covid breaches.

Common sense prevails and all other teams are not being penalised by awarding of points.

Games to be arranged and played.