Bruno Strasser Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 If there is a rise in infection after Christmas in January/February that would stop any chance of a return for fans in spring. Come January/February I think we will know if we will seen any Live Football at all this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 8:56 PM, garydavidson said: Not a chance the government would allow a lottery like that - not a hope of figuring out if those with tickets are local, if they travelled from a region with a higher level etc. It would be local season ticket holders first. I’m a season ticket holder in a tier 2 area. If Perth is tier 3, surely I should get priority!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Guys, can you keep this thread to the impact on Saints please. I've moved all the political stuff from yesterday into a new thread in Chit Chat - feel free to chat about politics all you like in there. Cagey and south inch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 10 hours ago, blueheaven said: Guys, can you keep this thread to the impact on Saints please. I've moved all the political stuff from yesterday into a new thread in Chit Chat - feel free to chat about politics all you like in there. I thought we were discussing who may or may not be able to attend our games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Dundee Uniteds Mellon & coaching staff self isolating due to some coaching staff tested positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Motherwell have been handed six points whilst Hamilton get three: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55176197 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/27/2020 at 8:24 AM, blueheaven said: Guys, can you keep this thread to the impact on Saints please. I've moved all the political stuff from yesterday into a new thread in Chit Chat - feel free to chat about politics all you like in there. This forum is quite literally dead. It has around 10 posters and I’d assume double digit posts on an average day. I’d see your point if this was back in 2010 but jeez. Behaving like a traffic warden. dave mc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, garydavidson said: Motherwell have been handed six points whilst Hamilton get three: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55176197 This is a disgrace. They cannot change the rules halfway through a season. Surely the teams that were meant to play Aberdeen and Celtic should be contesting this. It is not even in dispute that they broke the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Jenkins Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 And again we are directly effected Motherwell now go above us. I hope we make a drink....we won't....bit we should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Stumpy1966 said: This is a disgrace. They cannot change the rules halfway through a season. Surely the teams that were meant to play Aberdeen and Celtic should be contesting this. It is not even in dispute that they broke the rules. I think the big difference is that in the case of St Mirren it was the Club that broke the rules, no social distancing on coaches, at meals, allowed players to car share where as Celtic and Aberdeen issues were caused by players being complete idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Jenkins Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, mainstand said: I think the big difference is that in the case of St Mirren it was the Club that broke the rules, no social distancing on coaches, at meals, allowed players to car share where as Celtic and Aberdeen issues were caused by players being complete idiots. I can see that. But I would suggest the latter is actually worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, mainstand said: I think the big difference is that in the case of St Mirren it was the Club that broke the rules, no social distancing on coaches, at meals, allowed players to car share where as Celtic and Aberdeen issues were caused by players being complete idiots. True, I'm afraid if you want to punish clubs for being stupid by hitting them where it really hurts - points - other clubs will benefit. The SPFL will now hope and pray this works and other clubs will take note. Of course in case it doesn't work they will also double hope and pray that the next offenders are not Rangers* or Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 The difference is there were no specific Covid rules in place at the time of the Aberdeen and Celtic stupidnesses. Now there are, St Mirren and Killy knew that, and still broke them. I’m not saying it’s fair, clearly it’s not consistent, but there is a difference. Note that both are not happy. Killy are taking legal advice. This could take months. That means some club could be celebrating escaping relegation or qualifying for Europe, some court hands down a decision, and....... This could be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 11:57 AM, Pat McGroin said: I’m a season ticket holder in a tier 2 area. If Perth is tier 3, surely I should get priority!! Eh no as if you are in a tier 2 area you aren't allowed to travel to a tier 3 area unless for medical appointment or essential work. So if you did saints would be fined £40000 for breaching covid rules. Also you would then be at risk of taking the virus from a tier 3 area to a tier 2 area turning your area into a tier 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Abernethy Saint said: Note that both are not happy. Killy are taking legal advice. This could take months. That means some club could be celebrating escaping relegation or qualifying for Europe, some court hands down a decision, and....... Ann Budge had legal advice, always depends on whether it suits you to accept it. Guy in Washington has legal advice and even has judges he appointed but he is still in the relegation spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 The offenders should be docked 3 points so all gain not one team. Then play the game later on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Why were Aberdeen not given 3-0 defeat or was it different covid things they breached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, saintgscot said: Why were Aberdeen not given 3-0 defeat or was it different covid things they breached. Aberdeen done nothing wrong. Their players did outwith working hours. St Mirren were aware players broke rules during working hours, so can be punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Jack Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, saintgscot said: Why were Aberdeen not given 3-0 defeat or was it different covid things they breached. and i think they wanted to play but were blocked from doing so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, mainstand said: I think the big difference is that in the case of St Mirren it was the Club that broke the rules, no social distancing on coaches, at meals, allowed players to car share where as Celtic and Aberdeen issues were caused by players being complete idiots. I get that there's a difference, but either way it's rule-breaking. When a match has had to be called off due to rules being broken, in my eyes a consistent punishment should be applied. If players had caught Covid without any rules being broken, that would be a different story. Saints should be furious about this - not only do we miss out on the three points that have been handed to other clubs, but we move down the league table as a result of other clubs benefitting. Shaggy Jenkins and garydavidson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akuram Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Pat McGroin said: This forum is quite literally dead. It has around 10 posters and I’d assume double digit posts on an average day. I’d see your point if this was back in 2010 but jeez. Behaving like a traffic warden. Why do saints fans not use the forum anymore? Some days there are hardly any new posts. Can it survive like this? Edited December 3, 2020 by akuram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 hours ago, dave mc said: The offenders should be docked 3 points so all gain not one team. Then play the game later on You would be penalising the team they were meant to play as they could have won the match if played. I wonder why they decided on a 3-0 win as I doubt if many games are won by 3 goals. At the end of the season there could a few things decided by goal difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 3-0 is the standard football forfeiture score across the world and has been for many, many decades. Set down by FIFA. The only exception is if a game is played, and then subsequently forfeited, the actual score stands if it was better than 3 - 0. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Cagey said: You would be penalising the team they were meant to play as they could have won the match if played. I wonder why they decided on a 3-0 win as I doubt if many games are won by 3 goals. At the end of the season there could a few things decided by goal difference. If it’s played later , the opponent has a chance to win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 hours ago, blueheaven said: I get that there's a difference, but either way it's rule-breaking. When a match has had to be called off due to rules being broken, in my eyes a consistent punishment should be applied. If players had caught Covid without any rules being broken, that would be a different story. Saints should be furious about this - not only do we miss out on the three points that have been handed to other clubs, but we move down the league table as a result of other clubs benefitting. That is exactly it. There is plenty of time for those fixtures to be played, the clubs should be punished but others shouldn't benefit from them simply due to the luck of fixture scheduling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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