Broggy Man Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 I just can’t remember where I read it but I’m sure I did that if clubs use law courts to sue the association they will be kicked out and lose there registration I could have dreamed it but I thought they had to use the court of arbitration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, south inch said: Hearts' QC has presumably advised that they have little or no chance of directly imposing reconstruction through court action. So their action challenges the SPFL's resolution of the Covid crisis on the grounds that it changes the rules on promotion and relegation. The solution their challenge proposes is to cancel the relegation of Hearts and as a consequence deny Dundee Utd promotion. (And so on down the leagues.) Obviously, this too changes the rules on promotion and relegation and will be seen as a somewhat contradictory argument. In effect they are suggesting the 19/20 league season be declare null and void but without cancelling the award of championships or financial pay outs. To me that sounds a ridiculous case but I'm not a QC and Hearts' advisor is. He must think the Court will reject this argument but direct the SPFL to consider compensation. Whether the Court would say anything about the amount of compensation is another matter but you can then see the SPFL going into panic mode and reconstruction will be back on the table. Indeed the SPFL might panic before it goes to court, who knows. On the other hand their QC advice might be to tough it out and if he or she is right Ann Budge will be down several hundred thousand quid. Dundee United , Raith and Cove have alerted their Leagle Eagles in respect to the action taken by Hearts and Partick. Who needs Messi when we have MESSY? Apparently the Q.C. rep. for Partick was involved as a junior Q.C.the last time Partick went to court and lost. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 A strange twist to the legal action saga. Hearts are apparently close to bringing Neilson back to Tyncastle as Stendel seems to have gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, south inch said: A strange twist to the legal action saga. Hearts are apparently close to bringing Neilson back to Tyncastle as Stendel seems to have gone. How does change of manager affect the legal action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Cagey said: How does change of manager affect the legal action. Be hard for Hearts to argue they've been heavily damaged financially when theyre spending six figures getting a new manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Going to be a real kick in the teeth if the court decides Hearts should stay up and Dundee Utd stay down. Not sure why Neilson would want to leave. There's a real possibility Hearts could implode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 As long as its no "Digby Brown " who is their solicitors it should be alright! Settled on the court steps, ask for £10,000,000 accept £1,000,000, Partick will get about £50,000 for their troubles . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Saint Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Maybe Neilsen is the deal....... Hearts " we will drop our demands and let you stay up United if we get Robbie" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Confirmed as new Hearts manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templeofsaints Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stumpy1966 said: Confirmed as new Hearts manager. Be interesting to see how they manage to spin paying compensation for a new manager while at the same time asking players to take wage cuts. As for Nielson - has to be one of the dumbest moves in ages. Edited June 21, 2020 by templeofsaints Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 5:07 PM, Broggy Man said: I just can’t remember where I read it but I’m sure I did that if clubs use law courts to sue the association they will be kicked out and lose there registration I could have dreamed it but I thought they had to use the court of arbitration SFA rule 78 - states "No Member or Associate Person shall take a dispute which is referrable to Arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99". Article 99 has the added "except with prior approval of the Board". The Board have the power to impose punishment ranging from £500 fine to expulsion from the leagues and Association, Both Clubs have been issued with a Notice of Complaint by the S.F.A. for breaching article 78, which poses the question, if they win their Court case and are awarded £10m ? and are re-instated to the Premiership ( in Hearts case) , what good would that do them if they were then found guilty of breaching Article 78 and were Fined the maximum by the SFA. (Highly unlikely I know, that they will receive the maximum, but still possible, within the Governing bodies rules) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 They think its all over. It is now. Hope there is no compensation & Budge to pay costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Cagey said: They think its all over. It is now. Hope there is no compensation & Budge to pay costs. The BBC were saying they may now be faced with the bill. It will be interesting to read what Tom English and his cronies who have backed Hearts all the way say about it. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.B:- Adz Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mainstand said: The BBC were saying they may now be faced with the bill. It will be interesting to read what Tom English and his cronies who have backed Hearts all the way say about it. Tom ‘fu*****’ English. I can’t stomach that guy. Where the f*** did he appear from anyway. Just popped up one day claiming to know anything and everything about Scottish football and how we “should” be doing things. Absolute rent-a-gob. Big Tommy was not a fan in no uncertain terms so that’s enough for me. Edited July 27, 2020 by R.B.B:- Adz south inch and mainstand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Cagey said: They think its all over. It is now. Hope there is no compensation & Budge to pay costs. Sure is. Appears Budgie and/or the lawyers never read the articles of the S.F.A. Dungcaster will be laughing up his sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Certain amount of disquiet on the Hearts' websites. Wee bit sorry for Budge, she did paint herself into a corner but plenty of Hearts fans were only too happy for her to do so, now quite a few are turning against her. Glad to see from some of the posts above that I am not the only one who thinks Tom English is a pain in the bahoukie who has little to contribute to a discussion other than to shout louder than the other participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Cagey said: They think its all over. It is now. Hope there is no compensation & Budge to pay costs. Hootsman article previous to this outcome , stating that if their appeal failed, the clubs would be looking for £10m compo. Also it's not quite over as far as the 2 clubs are concerned, they still have a Notice of Complaint to respond to regarding a breach of Article 78. The hearing is due to be held on 6th Aug.2020. Worst punishment is expulsion from the association. Roll on 6th Aug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, HOODLUM65 said: Hootsman article previous to this outcome , stating that if their appeal failed, the clubs would be looking for £10m compo. Also it's not quite over as far as the 2 clubs are concerned, they still have a Notice of Complaint to respond to regarding a breach of Article 78. The hearing is due to be held on 6th Aug.2020. Worst punishment is expulsion from the association. Roll on 6th Aug. No - if their appeal SUCCEEDED, they wanted reinstatement OR £10m compo. They ain’t getting either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 9 hours ago, HOODLUM65 said: Hootsman article previous to this outcome , stating that if their appeal failed, the clubs would be looking for £10m compo. Also it's not quite over as far as the 2 clubs are concerned, they still have a Notice of Complaint to respond to regarding a breach of Article 78. The hearing is due to be held on 6th Aug.2020. Worst punishment is expulsion from the association. Roll on 6th Aug. Probably end up wae points deduction.if they dont throw them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, sixties saintee said: Probably end up wae points deduction.if they dont throw them out. Its an SFA charge so they can't give them a points deduction, as, technically, the league is a SPFL competition. All they can do is fine them, remove them from the Scottish Cup, or revoke their membership (which would remove them from the league system). sixties saintee and HOODLUM65 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said: No - if their appeal SUCCEEDED, they wanted reinstatement OR £10m compo. They ain’t getting either. Are you sure on that Abernethy? I thought they wanted either compensation or £10m comp for relegation. From what the SPFL statement said it looked like they were separate. Doncaster getting it in the neck on twitter for saying that he is glad he has been vindicated and that the ruling was comprehensively in SPFL favour. Don't actually see what is wrong with that they guy has been ridiculed and abused by some fans for the last few months think he has every right to do a good old GIRFUY salute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, mainstand said: Are you sure on that Abernethy? I thought they wanted either compensation or £10m comp for relegation. From what the SPFL statement said it looked like they were separate. Either way, they cannot now win compensation. The only outstanding case is against Hearts and Partick for breaching SFA rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, mainstand said: Are you sure on that Abernethy? I thought they wanted either compensation or £10m comp for relegation. From what the SPFL statement said it looked like they were separate. Doncaster getting it in the neck on twitter for saying that he is glad he has been vindicated and that the ruling was comprehensively in SPFL favour. Don't actually see what is wrong with that they guy has been ridiculed and abused by some fans for the last few months think he has every right to do a good old GIRFUY salute. I think I’ve got it right. The panel ruled the League had acted appropriately, so what would be the basis for a compensation claim? Furthermore, it seems likely that costs will be awarded against them: this wouldn’t be the case usually if they had won anything. The compo thing arose because it was recognised that it might not be practicable to reverse the relegation decision once the season started, so money instead. But hey lost the case. It was always a nonsense, because as I’ve repeatedly said, the system is well used to accelerating cases to stop one side using deadlines to win by default. There was never any possibility of the season being delayed, the new season voided, or compensation being paid (least of all because the other clubs would have had to pay it). If they had won the case, the League would have re-promoted them. Costs are said to be around £100,000. Budge, who has done some great things, has really fecked up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said: No - if their appeal SUCCEEDED, they wanted reinstatement OR £10m compo. They ain’t getting either. Not the way it was printed in the daily rag, hence the way I posted. Did have to read it twice. Was it not compo for being relegated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Abernethy Saint said: Costs are said to be around £100,000. Budge, who has done some great things, has really fecked up here. Don't agree, i think Budge knew from the start she was on a loser but had no choice but to pursue the matter to keep her fans happy, not to mention falling over themselves to contribute to the costs. In the Hootsmon today she thanks her legal team and included is a telling phrase "They acknowledged from the outset this would be an uphill battle, but nonetheless it was a battle we felt we had to fight". HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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