Pat McGroin Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Johnny B said: I'd imagine we are run like most businesses, there are job descriptions, contracts for the various posts and salaries to match. One for the assistant manager and one for a coach. As Cleland is no longer assistant manager, will he now have a coaches job description and contract? If we believe that he and Maclean are are equal then they will both have the same salary. Are we paying two assistant managers salaries? I don’t think Macca will be on the same salary as Cleland. We’re really debating a tiny point here. St Johnstone still have a Manager and 2 senior coaches. We’ve just replaced Maybury for Macca. Macca is doing the 18’s too. They’ll be sharing the exact same work and I doubt any grown up is going to care if they’re labelled 1st team coach or assistant coach. Different story if the role is a massive demotion but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that. I haven’t seen any news of AC signing a new contract. I don’t know how the football contracts work. They might not be as defined as you think with regards to job title and job description, given it’s all hands to the pump at clubs our size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Johnny B said: I'd imagine we are run like most businesses, there are job descriptions, contracts for the various posts and salaries to match. One for the assistant manager and one for a coach. As Cleland is no longer assistant manager, will he now have a coaches job description and contract? If we believe that he and Maclean are are equal then they will both have the same salary. Are we paying two assistant managers salaries? There could be a salary scale within one job role, meaning that it's possible Macca could be at the bottom of that scale and Cleland could be at the top. People with the same job title don't necessarily have identical salaries, for all sorts of reasons. It could also be the case that Cleland is considered the more senior of the two so has slightly different responsibilities. As a fan I wouldn't expect to be provided with all the ins and outs of the arrangement. I think we can allow them a tiny bit of privacy! HOODLUM65 and Johnny B 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 I've stood on a terrace and watched Roddy score a hat trick against us and survived. Genuinely not bothered about what Tommy does next. I'm just happy that he left on his own terms with the team in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 Thinking back to some of the back up striking options we've had in our strongest teams - iwelumo, Fallon etc. Macca is currently way superior to what they were at the time. I'd love to see him on the playing books still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 Macca staying as a player is not just about stripping every week and getting the odd 15 mins. It’s also the time and energy to stay match sharp, which is many hours a week. And takes a place on the bench from a youngster. Having said all that, Macca and May in the 2021 Cup Final versus Tommy Wright’s Dundee United anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Abernethy Saint said: Macca staying as a player is not just about stripping every week and getting the odd 15 mins. It’s also the time and energy to stay match sharp, which is many hours a week. And takes a place on the bench from a youngster. Having said all that, Macca and May in the 2021 Cup Final versus Tommy Wright’s Dundee United anyone?? However having Macca as a backup may allow a youngster to go out on loan and play 90 minutes every week, rather than a token 5. I'd want him to keep his playing registration solely due to having him spare if needs must. Plus he's not taking up a playing wage, it's sort of the same as Craig, he's taking coaching and performing a dual role for one wage. I think he's the sort of person who's going to take part in training and stay fit irrespective of playing, that being said he's hardly going to be starting, if playing at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, Abernethy Saint said: Macca staying as a player is not just about stripping every week and getting the odd 15 mins. It’s also the time and energy to stay match sharp, which is many hours a week. And takes a place on the bench from a youngster. True, but it's not as if he'd be the first ever player-coach to manage it. Owen Coyle did it fairly successfully while managing us, albeit at a lower level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, blueheaven said: True, but it's not as if he'd be the first ever player-coach to manage it. Owen Coyle did it fairly successfully while managing us, albeit at a lower level. Did he actually play that much for us? He played for Burnleys reserve side once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Did he actually play that much for us? He played for Burnleys reserve side once. He played quite a few times in his first season. I'd say he'll have 10+ appearances for us, although he looked pretty finished when he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankfoot saint Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Kyle said: He played quite a few times in his first season. I'd say he'll have 10+ appearances for us, although he looked pretty finished when he did. Even our keeper scored more than him that season jhq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 8:41 PM, Cagey said: Aberdeen join Hibs in looking for cutbacks. We may get Hayes yet. Gone to Aberdeen who he was that desperate to play that he has deferred his wages for a year. May not get his wages next season as Dons in a bit of financial trouble & have a stadium to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 9 hours ago, montrosesaintee said: Thinking back to some of the back up striking options we've had in our strongest teams - iwelumo, Fallon etc. Macca is currently way superior to what they were at the time. I'd love to see him on the playing books still. Naw, folk have short memories, as good as Macca has been for us and I appreciated everything he brought to our team, when Hearts signed him I was most surprised, as I felt he was past his best. Can't see him pulling on the boots in earnest (whoever he is ) , and there was no mention of it when he signed on again. crieffsaintandy, Johnny B and ex-montrosesaintee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 I'd like Macca to register as a player just to come on for the last two minutes when we're 2-0 up v United HOODLUM65, ex-montrosesaintee, Abernethy Saint and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 18 hours ago, RandomGuy said: Did he actually play that much for us? He played for Burnleys reserve side once. According to Wikipedia he played 16 times for us - I know it's not the most reliable of sources but that number sounds about right to me. When he joined us he'd scored 249 career goals and he did a few interviews where he mentioned wanting to score his 250th for us, but he never got it. My memory of that season is that even though his performances were fairly average, the other players around him always seemed to raise their game and play better when he was on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 I like Macca.... intelligent football brain... like Craig. I like the management team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Melbourne Saint said: I like Macca.... intelligent football brain... like Craig. I like the management team. Least we will get some passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Interestingly when i passed the training area yesterday i got a fleeting glimpse of Liam marking out a training area id like to start that rumour here right now! Also they were all wearing a very deep Royal l blue training Kit looked good from the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Potter Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Very happy with our management team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Center Half said: Interestingly when i passed the training area yesterday i got a fleeting glimpse of Liam marking out a training area id like to start that rumour here right now! Also they were all wearing a very deep Royal l blue training Kit looked good from the distance. There are pictures on the saints site of Liam arriving for training carrying his boots. Surprised at him being involved in coaching with the management team and sports scientist all taking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 23 hours ago, Center Half said: Interestingly when i passed the training area yesterday i got a fleeting glimpse of Liam marking out a training area id like to start that rumour here right now! Also they were all wearing a very deep Royal l blue training Kit looked good from the distance. I think with the fact the the players have to train in 5s they will probably use Liam who has his A & B & will be happy to keep his hand in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Cagey said: I think with the fact the the players have to train in 5s they will probably use Liam who has his A & B & will be happy to keep his hand in. Aye will do him good to keep his hand in as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 I think he probably wants to keep his hand in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Abernethy Saint said: I think he probably wants to keep his hand in. Don’t you think he might just want to keep his hand in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, mainstand said: There are pictures on the saints site of Liam arriving for training carrying his boots. Surprised at him being involved in coaching with the management team and sports scientist all taking them. What would he be carrying Wellies! Edited June 28, 2020 by Center Half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, Center Half said: What would he be carrying Wellies! depends after some of the rain possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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