Cagey Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Notice Shay Logan has signed for Hearts for now & next season. Good to see these wee teams can still sign players. Good to see Hearts building for next season's relegation fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Saint Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Cagey said: Notice Shay Logan has signed for Hearts for now & next season. Good to see these wee teams can still sign players. Good to see Hearts building for next season's relegation fight. Training as a plumber so they will be hoping he can plug up the gaps in their defence/ Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 2:06 PM, Linky said: Any idea why Scot Allen has been loaned to ICT? Seems a big step down. He's a player that is a classic Saints buy to my mind: lots of potential, lost his way through injury, needs regular games. I know he has health issues, and it might be that he can no longer play for a full 90 mins. I think he's most often played through the centre, but could be on the right. A replacement for MOH/Conway perhaps? Or Bryson even? Don't think we should be signing players if they can't play 90 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 19 hours ago, jhq said: Don't think we should be signing players if they can't play 90 minutes. I don't think there is anything preventing him, medically, from playing 90 minutes. His heart issue has been resolved, otherwise they would not be allowing him to train and play. Sure I read that it was connected to his diabetes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, mainstand said: I don't think there is anything preventing him, medically, from playing 90 minutes. His heart issue has been resolved, otherwise they would not be allowing him to train and play. Sure I read that it was connected to his diabetes. Hibs are quite heavily stacked in midfield as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Saint Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just out of interest, outside of the Fuglies, which clubs) are living well beyond "their means", i.e. stuck with big squads & big wages? Imagine Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, any others that surprise? Appreciate there may be some confusion with players taking paycuts etc, so annual reports will probably be a bit of a dog's breakfast. I'm thinking from Saints "value proposition". Surely with agents trolling, they should be taking into account a club's financial footing and not signing for, say, St. Mirren purely based on a better wage, then being asked/told to take a pay cut 4 months into signing. But agents probably don't think that way. I'd also suspect that there will be some additional clauses in contracts clarifying a club's right to "amend weekly wages based on unforeseen events/ Acts of God" or whatever? Surely Saints, even offering a smaller wage could, for once attract sensible agents/players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Melbourne Saint said: Just out of interest, outside of the Fuglies, which clubs) are living well beyond "their means", i.e. stuck with big squads & big wages? Imagine Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, any others that surprise? Appreciate there may be some confusion with players taking paycuts etc, so annual reports will probably be a bit of a dog's breakfast. I'm thinking from Saints "value proposition". Surely with agents trolling, they should be taking into account a club's financial footing and not signing for, say, St. Mirren purely based on a better wage, then being asked/told to take a pay cut 4 months into signing. But agents probably don't think that way. I'd also suspect that there will be some additional clauses in contracts clarifying a club's right to "amend weekly wages based on unforeseen events/ Acts of God" or whatever? Surely Saints, even offering a smaller wage could, for once attract sensible agents/players? I think every club in Premiership will be struggling financially, especially Arab.We are in a decent position but after a year of covid anything can happen. Agents are only interested in getting their cut of any transfer hence them always touting their player for a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 15 hours ago, Melbourne Saint said: But agents probably don't think that way. I'd also suspect that there will be some additional clauses in contracts clarifying a club's right to "amend weekly wages based on unforeseen events/ Acts of God" or whatever? Surely Saints, even offering a smaller wage could, for once attract sensible agents/players? I think most players/agents look upon signing for a club as a short-term thing. Get the best deal they can, stay for a year or two, then get the best deal they can (and another signing-on fee) somewhere else. So I doubt a club's potentially precarious financial position is given much thought, as long as they're offering big money. Can't really blame players for looking upon it that way, to be honest. Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yeah I believe once a player has signed for a team and agents got their "cut" it's a done deal for them, the financial implications of teams mean nothing to agents...its all about the initial fees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, chips said: Yeah I believe once a player has signed for a team and agents got their "cut" it's a done deal for them, the financial implications of teams mean nothing to agents...its all about the initial fees Looking after there members Brother Chips. chips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, chips said: Yeah I believe once a player has signed for a team and agents got their "cut" it's a done deal for them, the financial implications of teams mean nothing to agents...its all about the initial fees The agent gets a % of the annual salary for some time most players are signed for free & signing on FEE if any chips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 This is a list of fees paid to agents in League 2 down south in the last 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 Do agents get a set fee on a resign a percentage of the transfer fee or is it a mixture of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 Callum expecting to lose at least one of his centre backs in the summer. Hope he has replacements in mind. We have taken a huge gamble this season with basically running with 3 centre backs & you could say we have been lucky with injuries, suspensions & Covid. Especially as defenders are more likely to get injured or suspected. Regardless if we do lose at least one or not we need to bring in cover. The problem is will someone sign if they may end up sitting on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 St Johnstone boss Callum Davidson admits he'll be "surprised" if the club don't receive bids for any of their highly-rated centre-back trio Jason Kerr, Liam Gordon and Jamie McCart this summer. (Courier,) There may be bids but they will be unacceptable (too low). We will have all 3 next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 I can't help but think the player we might end up getting offers for is Rooney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Cagey said: Callum expecting to lose at least one of his centre backs in the summer. Hope he has replacements in mind. We have taken a huge gamble this season with basically running with 3 centre backs & you could say we have been lucky with injuries, suspensions & Covid. Especially as defenders are more likely to get injured or suspected. Regardless if we do lose at least one or not we need to bring in cover. The problem is will someone sign if they may end up sitting on the bench. No, no-one will sign if they think they may be on the bench. We will have to run with a squad of 11. Cagey and blueheaven 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 I thought that interview from Davidson was a bit worrying. He seemed to be saying that the club will need to sell those players to survive. Was the answer spontaneous or is he preparing the fans for the fact that 1 or 2 might be leaving? What sort of money would the club accept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgendboy Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 I’m fairly sure that will be part of his remit bring young players through then sell them for a decent price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, Linky said: I thought that interview from Davidson was a bit worrying. He seemed to be saying that the club will need to sell those players to survive. Was the answer spontaneous or is he preparing the fans for the fact that 1 or 2 might be leaving? What sort of money would the club accept? They can sell the whole squad ,as long as they get the right price ,which has not always been the case. byebyedundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Bridgendboy said: I’m fairly sure that will be part of his remit bring young players through then sell them for a decent price Yep. Like it or not, that’s how clubs look ours survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Bridgendboy said: I’m fairly sure that will be part of his remit bring young players through then sell them for a decent price All clubs do this Celtic do it all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Abernethy Saint said: Yep. Like it or not, that’s how clubs look ours survive. When did we last get a fee for a player. We never get players signed on long enough contracts to be able to command a fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, Cagey said: When did we last get a fee for a player. We never get players signed on long enough contracts to be able to command a fee. Last season when we sold Matty Kennedy to Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Jack Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 20 hours ago, Cagey said: They can sell the whole squad ,as long as they get the right price ,which has not always been the case. On that point, I think we usually hold out for the maximum amount we can. I can't think of a player or manager that we've undersold in the past 10 years (maybe more). Am I missing someone obvious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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