Johnny B Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Cagey said: I would hope CD is looking for a replacement already as Ali will go. I am sure he is but my point was if the big offer comes in on deadline day will there be time to get a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Worth remembering McCann is contracted until 2023, its not as if he's out of contract at the end of the season. He's 21, a full International with goals at that level, has 2 medals is his pocket, and will breach 100 top flight games next season. John McGinn went for £2m and didn't have any caps and was 2 years older. Turnbull went for £3m and didn't have nearly as such a strong CV. Initial fee should be £2.5-£3.5m IMO, then you look to get a sell on fee. Brexit means UK players are in demand now. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepless Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 The following players have been released at the end of their contracts. First Team Guy Melamed John Robertson Craig Conway Development Olly Hamilton Ben Finnan Michael MacFarlane Lennon Smith Aiden Walsh The following players will return to their parent clubs. Loan Expiring James Brown Glenn Middleton We are in contract negotiations with the following players. Contract Expiring Scott Tanser Michael O’Halloran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Brexit means UK players are in demand now. I am sure I read somewhere that if you have been capped by one of the UK teams then UEFA classify you as a foreign player in England eg John McGinn in England and Defoe in Scotland, Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am correct McCann and Wotherspoon are our Foreign players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 On 5/25/2021 at 12:55 PM, Pat McGroin said: No, Not a chance we’ll be paying players to sit on a beach for a month!! Looks MOH and Tansers contracts do expire at end of June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipa Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Johnny B said: I am sure I read somewhere that if you have been capped by one of the UK teams then UEFA classify you as a foreign player in England eg John McGinn in England and Defoe in Scotland, Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am correct McCann and Wotherspoon are our Foreign players. I think that is the case, but the UEFA international registration is a fairly straightforward paperwork matter. The issue with Brexit is that while are EU citizens used to have the right to live and work in the UK, I believe these players now require visas/work permits etc, and so have to meet the same Home Office criterea as those from elsewhere in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, Johnny B said: I am sure I read somewhere that if you have been capped by one of the UK teams then UEFA classify you as a foreign player in England eg John McGinn in England and Defoe in Scotland, Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am correct McCann and Wotherspoon are our Foreign players. I think you're maybe on about counting as "home grown", in terms of squad criteria? John McGinn doesn't count as "home grown" in England, but McCann/Wotherspoon do for us, as they spent so many years before their 18th birthday in Scotland. Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, Johnny B said: Looks MOH and Tansers contracts do expire at end of June Where did you see that? Looks to me like they’ve expired but we’re still negotiating new terms. all contracts will end at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Johnny B said: I am sure he is but my point was if the big offer comes in on deadline day will there be time to get a replacement. I think we need to get a replacement in regardless. McCann will go,if not now then in January. Regardless of that the squad is a few players light. I always believe in insurance policies & there is no chance we will go through another season without injuries & suspensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, Cagey said: I think we need to get a replacement in regardless. McCann will go,if not now then in January. Regardless of that the squad is a few players light. I always believe in insurance policies & there is no chance we will go through another season without injuries & suspensions. Tbf CM is relatively stacked even without McCann. Craig, Davidson, Bryson, Wotherspoon, Gilmour, Ballantyne all there if McCann does go. First 4 all proven top flight performers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Tbf CM is relatively stacked even without McCann. Craig, Davidson, Bryson, Wotherspoon, Gilmour, Ballantyne all there if McCann does go. First 4 all proven top flight performers. Four over 30s & 2 unproven but I get your point. Callum saying he wants to bring in 1 or 2. Hope that is just a figure of speech & on top of Mikey & Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cagey said: Four over 30s & 2 unproven but I get your point. Callum saying he wants to bring in 1 or 2. Hope that is just a figure of speech & on top of Mikey & Brown. Yeah we need to start bringing through more youth, but it's not desperate in the short term if we lose McCann and can't replace him. Think the "2 players" comment was in terms of before the season starts, not in total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, sleepless said: The following players have been released at the end of their contracts. First Team Guy Melamed John Robertson Craig Conway Development Olly Hamilton Ben Finnan Michael MacFarlane Lennon Smith Aiden Walsh The following players will return to their parent clubs. Loan Expiring James Brown Glenn Middleton We are in contract negotiations with the following players. Contract Expiring Scott Tanser Michael O’Halloran I remember see Robertson against Dundee when he was about 16. Thought he was a prospect but unfortunately it looks like he has not shown up well on loans. Same with Hamilton. Hope they get a decent club as they are bound to be gutted after spending so long with Saints & not making it. Unfortunately there will be hundreds in the same boat. You can only feel sorry for them as their world has just come tumbling down. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Think the "2 players" comment was in terms of before the season starts, not in total. I wonder if there might be a bit of "wait and see" about the approach this summer. We won't know until 26th August if we're going to be playing in a European group stage, which is before the transfer window closes (albeit only five days before). If we get into a group we'll need a bigger squad, but if not then our squad probably won't be too far off what it needs to be once a couple of extra signings come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee in exile Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Yeah my nephew has trained with Saints for many years.I know the commitment it takes from them and the family so I can well imagine how devastating it is to be let go.I guess football is littered with young boys that were released only to come good years later though HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, saintee in exile said: Yeah my nephew has trained with Saints for many years.I know the commitment it takes from them and the family so I can well imagine how devastating it is to be let go.I guess football is littered with young boys that were released only to come good years later though Too true, some take longer to mature. Some will turn their back on the game, as others will want to prove they are worth a contract and ultimately succeed. Wish your nephew all the best. saintee in exile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Pat McGroin said: Where did you see that? Looks to me like they’ve expired but we’re still negotiating new terms. all contracts will end at the same time 45 minutes ago, Cagey said: Contract Expiring Scott Tanser Michael O’Halloran It was the word expiring future tense (meaning not yet expired) others were expired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJet Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, saintee in exile said: Yeah my nephew has trained with Saints for many years.I know the commitment it takes from them and the family so I can well imagine how devastating it is to be let go.I guess football is littered with young boys that were released only to come good years later though Steve Tosh was in and out of the team back in the day and only after he was released did he bloom in to a really fine player for Queens. One example of many I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 I wonder if Callum might take another look at Olaofe, unless of course he is untouchable with Sutton moving up into the FL. Millwall must be pretty pleased with his progress despite no getting a look in when he came up with Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 I think Gilmour is the long-term replacement for McCann. Otherwise we have 4 decent midfielders fighting for one place alongside him, which doesn't make sense, as we have 3 central defenders for 3 spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, HOODLUM65 said: Too true, some take longer to mature. Some will turn their back on the game, as others will want to prove they are worth a contract and ultimately succeed. Wish your nephew all the best. I was speaking to Alastair Stevenson last Monday and he was saying all age groups have lost 18 months development Went on to say that a lot of the age groups coming through at time of lock down would be lost to the game forever as they will have taken up other things Also said that impact on some of current ones coming to the point where they should be progressing into first team wouldn't make wouldn't make it due to lack of games and would have to be let go to bring next batch on John Robertson was an example he made along with Northcott HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, THE LARK SAINT said: I was speaking to Alastair Stevenson last Monday and he was saying all age groups have lost 18 months development Went on to say that a lot of the age groups coming through at time of lock down would be lost to the game forever as they will have taken up other things Also said that impact on some of current ones coming to the point where they should be progressing into first team wouldn't make wouldn't make it due to lack of games and would have to be let go to bring next batch on John Robertson was an example he made along with Northcott Northcott not on the released list but I would have thought he would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cagey said: Northcott not on the released list but I would have thought he would be. Could have actually been Hamilton and not Northcott..it was over a week ago !! garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Cagey said: Northcott not on the released list but I would have thought he would be. Apparently Northcotts deal isn't up until next Summer. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Cagey said: McCann has shown in internationals that he can mix with the big boys & I think the state this season has shown he is near the top of the ball winners in the league. Agree with last sentence. Can see the boy signing a new contract nowt to lose crack at Europe sign a prenup.winners aw round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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