RandomGuy Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Tricky6 said: Katic Who would have to be a cast iron first choice as a CB to be worth the amount of money we'd be paying to loan him. I doubt we'll be signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Bakers rebel army Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 10 hours ago, dave mc said: A couple of signings expected this week, according to courier Great to here this without the normal caveat “we have to move 1 or 2 out first for it to happen “ byebyedundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankfoot saint Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Think this has been asked but how many loan players are we allowed, also means a massive rebuilding job next year as we have quite a few players out of contract and loans returning to parent clubs not a position I’d like to be in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, RandomGuy said: Who would have to be a cast iron first choice as a CB to be worth the amount of money we'd be paying to loan him. I doubt we'll be signing him. Was certainly doing the rounds on social media a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pat McGroin said: Was certainly doing the rounds on social media a week ago. Yeah unsure about it tbh, doesn't make sense unless one of our CBs is 100% off in this window, to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Mccart looks to be first out to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Jack Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 39 minutes ago, bankfoot saint said: Think this has been asked but how many loan players are we allowed, also means a massive rebuilding job next year as we have quite a few players out of contract and loans returning to parent clubs not a position I’d like to be in You could probably look back over the last 20 years and we'd be saying the same thing every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankfoot saint Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, Papa Jack said: You could probably look back over the last 20 years and we'd be saying the same thing every year. I had sort of hoped when we started handing out longer contracts that we’d moved away from that but you’re right happens every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYellowBox Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, bankfoot saint said: I had sort of hoped when we started handing out longer contracts that we’d moved away from that but you’re right happens every year Rooney would be the example of why offering more than 1 year deals is the way to go, but the risk is you are left with a player on books that you are stuck with for a longer time that doesnt contribute. Did Duffy not get a 2 year deal? A loan signing is all good as low risk and arguably can get a better quality player than you can afford a wage for, but then if they are good, then you get no fee. If say we had signed Middleton outright, you could argue that if he had another good 6 months, he would be quite a sellable asset in the Jan window. On Middleton, I wonder if there is scope for an outright transfer or certainly a loan with option to buy? He needs game time and knows he will get it here and that the manager likes him. The fact that 2 players are mentioned might support this. Buy/get Middleton on the basis we take player x on loan too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 We rarely have to have a rebuild. It's one of our strengths. Nobody could have foreseen what we'd achieve last season and then be running the risk of losing a raft of inform players like Kerr, Rooney, McCann and McCart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Theres no point in pretending a club of our size can perform consistently at the top of the Scottish game. Last season was, from November onwards at least, remarkable. If we are to capitalise on that, have a crack at group stage euro football, top 4 in the league, more cup runs, and not undermine the way the club is run, the only option is really quality loan signings. It seems like the two guys in already are better than most loans in our past, and we know what quality Middleton brings. I kind of feel like it's an intrinsic part of the game now. Contracts etc are irrelevant if the 11 players in the shirt are giving 100% for Saints. You can't argue that McNamara and Middleton last year gave anything less. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 I suppose what I'm saying is you can keep an eye on the future, but it might be 50 years before we have a tie against Galatassaray or PSV - if we win the tie with 4 loan players in the team, who cares? It'll be remembered forever as our greatest achievement. byebyedundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 The only way Katic is coming in is one of the centre-backs going out. Rangers wouldn't send a player like that out on loan without confirmation that he'd be a first-team regular. More likely Middleton & Hastie. I did wonder though whether it is someone from Celtic instead. Davidson said that things have eased up this week in regards to transfers. Is that because Celtic have played their first Champions League Qualifier, with a threadbare squad, and are confident that they'll have brought in enough players for the second leg so are happy to send one or two out on loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Ex Arab Cammy Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.B:- Adz Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HOODLUM65 said: Ex Arab Cammy Smith? He’s a player I really like. Looking for a club in Scotland so you’d hope we are putting our hat in the ring. You’d imagine Dundee and Dundee United are front runners and Ross County would offer him something. Edited July 21, 2021 by R.B.B:- Adz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 5 hours ago, TheYellowBox said: Rooney would be the example of why offering more than 1 year deals is the way to go, but the risk is you are left with a player on books that you are stuck with for a longer time that doesnt contribute. Did Duffy not get a 2 year deal? A loan signing is all good as low risk and arguably can get a better quality player than you can afford a wage for, but then if they are good, then you get no fee. If say we had signed Middleton outright, you could argue that if he had another good 6 months, he would be quite a sellable asset in the Jan window. On Middleton, I wonder if there is scope for an outright transfer or certainly a loan with option to buy? He needs game time and knows he will get it here and that the manager likes him. The fact that 2 players are mentioned might support this. Buy/get Middleton on the basis we take player x on loan too. Buy Middleton probably out of our reach however pay a fee and tag him with a large sell on fee Rangers may accept 50% sell on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 15 hours ago, byebyedundee said: Buy Middleton probably out of our reach however pay a fee and tag him with a large sell on fee Rangers may accept 50% sell on But would Middleton accept the permanent move? If he comes here on loan he plays for Saints with a Rangers salary. If he comes here permanently he plays for Saints with a Saints salary. He may as well stick around at Rangers and keep taking loan moves, then take his chances of a good deal somewhere when his contract expires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saintdunc Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Taken fro the official site St Johnstone are pleased to announce that Stevie Grieve has joined the club as the new Head of Recruitment. His expertise in analysis and coaching has taken him across the globe. From creating coaching curriculums in Canada to providing tactical analysis on Europe’s elite for Asian broadcasters. Grieve previously worked for Premiership outfit Dundee United as their Head of Analysis and Opposition Scouting. The lifelong Saint explained what he could bring to the club: “I’m quite organised. Without basic organisation you don’t really know what you’re looking for. “I’m quite good at identifying talents early from different markets. We need to try and be strong in the domestic markets. Try and find the best players in the Championship or the undervalued players of the Scottish Premier League. "I’ve got a good eye for talent in terms of what fits tactically into the squad and what we need to try and improve.” Grieve has learnt a lot from his time working in the football world and believes his experiences will be hugely beneficial for the club: “I think from a perspective of just coaching you can see what a player should be doing and how they might be progressing. “Sometimes it’s not about looking outside for players, it’s about understanding what’s in the building and how that player can grow and develop. “You have to have an eye to get talent ID right as many times as possible and see how a player might progress and grow in what you are trying to do. Then see if you can help them in the next stage of their career.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Really pleased with this. Has a good reputation, should be a very good appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYellowBox Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Feels very much like club are identifying the weaknesses in the club and addressing them on the playing side of things. Added benefit of things like a head of recruitment is continuity. If as well all fear, Davidson gets headhunted, the core of the setup will still be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBored Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Tanser's reasons for leaving re playing time and not wanting to have to compete for the place doesn't suprise me in the slightest. Be interesting to see if he manages to remain first choice at StM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 hours ago, blueheaven said: But would Middleton accept the permanent move? If he comes here on loan he plays for Saints with a Rangers salary. If he comes here permanently he plays for Saints with a Saints salary. He may as well stick around at Rangers and keep taking loan moves, then take his chances of a good deal somewhere when his contract expires. Thats a fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYellowBox Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 hours ago, blueheaven said: But would Middleton accept the permanent move? If he comes here on loan he plays for Saints with a Rangers salary. If he comes here permanently he plays for Saints with a Saints salary. He may as well stick around at Rangers and keep taking loan moves, then take his chances of a good deal somewhere when his contract expires. Problem he will have is that if he stays at Rangers knowing they font want him and he gets a couple of loans that dont work out, he ends up becoming a free agent at 22/23 and not the best reputation. Fraser Aird and Little bring 2 recent examples of this at Rangers. Clubs less likely to take a chance on that kind of player. He might be of the view that his days at Rangers are numbered. Get a move to a 'lesser' club, get regular game time and look to get a good move. If I was saints, that's what I'd be selling to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, TheYellowBox said: Problem he will have is that if he stays at Rangers knowing they font want him and he gets a couple of loans that dont work out, he ends up becoming a free agent at 22/23 and not the best reputation. Fraser Aird and Little bring 2 recent examples of this at Rangers. Clubs less likely to take a chance on that kind of player. He might be of the view that his days at Rangers are numbered. Get a move to a 'lesser' club, get regular game time and look to get a good move. If I was saints, that's what I'd be selling to him. But by the same token he could opt for a permanent move away from Rangers now and that might not work out either. At least in his current situation he'll be making good money for a couple of years. He's actually in a pretty good situation. Either he plays his way into the Rangers team which he'd be happy with, or he keeps his Rangers contract while going out and playing elsewhere. If he keeps performing like he did for Saints last season, I don't think he'll have anything to worry about reputation-wise. Also I think we have to bear in mind we don't know what he's being told by Rangers. If they tell him he has no future there, maybe he'd want to look at other options. But if they're telling him he has a chance of breaking into the manager's plans by doing well on loan, it's probably a no-brainer for him to not cut his ties. Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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