Val McDermid and Raith Rovers

[Tranmere Saintee]

Following the signing of Goodwillie Val has torn up her season ticket and cancelled her shirt sponsorship for next season. We had people wanting him here!!

[glenrothes saintee]

Fans director has resigned this morning. 

[blueheaven]

The captain of their women's team and their SLO have also quit. And lots of fans saying they won't be back. Well done all of them.

Always liked Raith Rovers but really wonder what they're playing at with this move.

[Tranmere Saintee]

29 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

The captain of their women's team and their SLO have also quit. And lots of fans saying they won't be back. Well done all of them.

Always liked Raith Rovers but really wonder what they're playing at with this move.

Insanity at its best.

[sixties saintee]

Principled people.

[chips]

I've just spent most of the morning reading through the RR thread on P&B and twitter, it's clear to see the major implode this has caused, from two main sponsors, directors, SLO, captain of the woman's team even the tannoy man resigning (rumours of ball boys/girls refusing to come out for their game tonight) and fans protesting. Now headline news (Scotland) and segments in Sky news and Sturgeon having a pop, how can whoever is left on the board/management fix this, seems the damage is done even if they were to "retract or pay off" Goodwillie. Its been posted that when rumours were abound in December regarding signing DGW that McDermid made it clear she would retract her shirt sponsorship if he were to sign, also the fan appointed director had a meeting with the board and produced 100s of emails received from concerned fans etc at the time that they didn't want him near their club yet they still went ahead with the contract knowing the negative reactions that may occur, I can only guess they totally underestimated how bad it would get. 

We've been a right s**t s**w ourselves this season (maybe about to change)but nothing compared to what Raith fans are going through just now, I would be absolutely raging and devastated if this was us. 

[blueheaven]

33 minutes ago, chips said:

I've just spent most of the morning reading through the RR thread on P&B and twitter, it's clear to see the major implode this has caused, from two main sponsors, directors, SLO, captain of the woman's team even the tannoy man resigning (rumours of ball boys/girls refusing to come out for their game tonight) and fans protesting. Now headline news (Scotland) and segments in Sky news and Sturgeon having a pop, how can whoever is left on the board/management fix this, seems the damage is done even if they were to "retract or pay off" Goodwillie. Its been posted that when rumours were abound in December regarding signing DGW that McDermid made it clear she would retract her shirt sponsorship if he were to sign, also the fan appointed director had a meeting with the board and produced 100s of emails received from concerned fans etc at the time that they didn't want him near their club yet they still went ahead with the contract knowing the negative reactions that may occur, I can only guess they totally underestimated how bad it would get. 

All of which raises the question - how could they possibly have thought this was all worth it, just to sign a 32-year-old who's spent the last five seasons kicking about the third and fourth tiers. What are they thinking??

[chips]

Just now, blueheaven said:

All of which raises the question - how could they possibly have thought this was all worth it, just to sign a 32-year-old who's spent the last five seasons kicking about the third and fourth tiers. What are they thinking??

That question comes up often throughout the threads, they (board/management) obviously think he's the answer to their play off/promotion push,huge risk alone taking on a player who hasn't played full time football for 5 years and turning 33 next month. Now they're needing to weigh up (financially) if potentially winning promotion overrides the loss of sponsorship, fans etc etc. Raith really have served up a major mess on this one. 

[slf]

1 hour ago, chips said:

I've just spent most of the morning reading through the RR thread on P&B and twitter, it's clear to see the major implode this has caused, from two main sponsors, directors, SLO, captain of the woman's team even the tannoy man resigning (rumours of ball boys/girls refusing to come out for their game tonight) and fans protesting. Now headline news (Scotland) and segments in Sky news and Sturgeon having a pop, how can whoever is left on the board/management fix this, seems the damage is done even if they were to "retract or pay off" Goodwillie. Its been posted that when rumours were abound in December regarding signing DGW that McDermid made it clear she would retract her shirt sponsorship if he were to sign, also the fan appointed director had a meeting with the board and produced 100s of emails received from concerned fans etc at the time that they didn't want him near their club yet they still went ahead with the contract knowing the negative reactions that may occur, I can only guess they totally underestimated how bad it would get. 

We've been a right s**t s**w ourselves this season (maybe about to change)but nothing compared to what Raith fans are going through just now, I would be absolutely raging and devastated if this was us. 

Never heard a word when he was at  Clyde ? Well done raith  rovers fans for making a stand.

Similarly stjohnstone   fans barely made a cheep when we signed his friend robertson .utter disgrace.

 

 

[slf]

6 hours ago, Tranmere Saintee said:

Following the signing of Goodwillie Val has torn up her season ticket and cancelled her shirt sponsorship for next season. We had people wanting him here!!

Correct.utter disgrace wanting him here.terrible that his friend did play for us ,a so called ‘family club ‘shame shame shame

 

 

[chips]

11 minutes ago, slf said:

Never heard a word when he was at  Clyde ? Well done raith  rovers fans for making a stand.

Similarly stjohnstone   fans barely made a cheep when we signed his friend robertson .utter disgrace.

 

 

I believe there was a small amount of protest that soon quietened down when he went to Clyde, but that seemed forgotten by the bigger majority once he started scoring. Maybe because Clyde are deemed a " really wee team" that there wasn't much of an outcry especially on social media/tabloids.Raith although not a massive club are a bit more higher profile and a (or did have) renowned best selling author as a director/shirt sponsor and season ticket holder at the club which made the national news when she made her feelings known. Now with many jumping ship the whole saga has gathered more momentum throwing DGW back into unwanted attention and more importantly bringing back the trauma to the girl it concerns. 

I wonder if he'll feature tonight in their game against Qos 

[chips]

It'll probably not be of much interest to many  but I can post up the court (civil) transcripts link of the hearing which includes all involved pursuer,defenders,witnesses etc plus judges summary. It's a long read and parts are a bit graphic 

[blueheaven]

16 hours ago, slf said:

Never heard a word when he was at  Clyde ? Well done raith  rovers fans for making a stand.

Similarly stjohnstone   fans barely made a cheep when we signed his friend robertson .utter disgrace.

There was a similar outcry when he signed for Clyde (though it probably had less media coverage because they're a smaller club and didn't have someone like Val McDermid raising the issue on social media). There were a number of Clyde fans who said they'd stop going to Broadwood when Goodwillie signed, including an MSP: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/msp-vows-boycott-clyde-after-10160113 (although from looking at John Mason's Twitter account it seems he must have had a change of heart).

Clyde's chairman ended up going on TV news to defend the signing and his stance was widely covered in the Scottish media: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39521642

David Robertson left Saints in 2013. The civil case ruling him to be a rapist wasn't until 2017. To be honest at the time he was playing for us I can't remember even being aware that he was connected to this story.

I really don't think there have been many Saints fans who have wanted Goodwillie here, certainly not post-2017. If he signed for Saints the reaction would be exactly the same as we're seeing at Raith Rovers.

[slf]

20 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

There was a similar outcry when he signed for Clyde (though it probably had less media coverage because they're a smaller club and didn't have someone like Val McDermid raising the issue on social media). There were a number of Clyde fans who said they'd stop going to Broadwood when Goodwillie signed, including an MSP: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/msp-vows-boycott-clyde-after-10160113 (although from looking at John Mason's Twitter account it seems he must have had a change of heart).

Clyde's chairman ended up going on TV news to defend the signing and his stance was widely covered in the Scottish media: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39521642

David Robertson left Saints in 2013. The civil case ruling him to be a rapist wasn't until 2017. To be honest at the time he was playing for us I can't remember even being aware that he was connected to this story.

I really don't think there have been many Saints fans who have wanted Goodwillie here, certainly not post-2017. If he signed for Saints the reaction would be exactly the same as we're seeing at Raith Rovers.

Thanks for the educational update dude.

robertson and goodwillie were both suspected long before the civil case.

[blueheaven]

21 minutes ago, slf said:

Thanks for the educational update dude.

robertson and goodwillie were both suspected long before the civil case.

At the point Robertson signed for us the criminal charges had been dropped and we had no idea about the decision that would come six years later. Saints did nothing wrong in signing him.

You were active on the forum when Robertson signed for us - did you speak out about it at the time?

[slf]

15 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

At the point Robertson signed for us the criminal charges had been dropped and we had no idea about the decision that would come six years later. Saints did nothing wrong in signing him.

You were active on the forum when Robertson signed for us - did you speak out about it at the time?

You were active on the forum when robertson signed for us as well.

No , don’t think I did .I never liked the horrible Kunt back then due to allegations dropped or not. 

you seem like your having fun trying to be a smart arse .

 

[chips]

18 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

At the point Robertson signed for us the criminal charges had been dropped and we had no idea about the decision that would come six years later. Saints did nothing wrong in signing him.

You were active on the forum when Robertson signed for us - did you speak out about it at the time?

Just had a wee scan around some archive topics, seems Robertson (Robbo) was welcomed into Saints by the fans with open arms, so no outcry that I can see. Bit of a hero after scoring in Inverness before a bad injury basically ended it for him here, many fans sad to see him go. Mad a few years later what then transpired through civil courts 

[slf]

20 minutes ago, chips said:

Just had a wee scan around some archive topics, seems Robertson (Robbo) was welcomed into Saints by the fans with open arms, so no outcry that I can see. Bit of a hero after scoring in Inverness before a bad injury basically ended it for him here, many fans sad to see him go. Mad a few years later what then transpired through civil courts 

That’s right.

[chips]

Was bound to happen after their captain of 10 years left yesterday...

 

[chips]

The statement..

 

[chips]

Nailed it..

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19892609.everything-wrong-raith-rovers-statement-david-goodwillie/?ref=twtrec

[blueheaven]

3 hours ago, slf said:

You were active on the forum when robertson signed for us as well.

No , don’t think I did .I never liked the horrible Kunt back then due to allegations dropped or not. 

you seem like your having fun trying to be a smart arse .

 

I was indeed on the forum back then, but as I've said, in my view Saints did nothing wrong in signing him. You're the one calling your fellow Saints fans a "disgrace" for saying nothing about it, when you yourself also said nothing.

[slf]

26 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

I was indeed on the forum back then, but as I've said, in my view Saints did nothing wrong in signing him. You're the one calling your fellow Saints fans a "disgrace" for saying nothing about it, when you yourself also said nothing.

Quite right .

 

[SlickDT]

Whilst I wouldn't want him at Saints and think Raith Rovers have made a major mistake, why on earth does Nicola Sturgeon think its is anything to do with her? Didn't hear anything from her when he was playing for Clyde.

I'd rather she spent her time looking into the supposed huge issue of child grooming of foreign gangs in her own constituency.

[ejksjfc]

It certainly would appear to be a spectacular own goal by Raith Rovers. His talent certainly doesn’t justify the bad publicity that his signing would produce.

Maybe a bit of a side issue but it would be interesting to be reminded who on here still think it is appropriate for us to continue singing our “I went out for a pint” song.