Linky Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, JollyBoyJohn said: Hi, new poster here, been going to saints games since I was 12 in 2008 to see a 1-1 draw with Dundee with my uncle, we still talk about Saints and he tells me I'm lucky to have seen them have runs in Europe and at the top of the Premier League and obviously the 2 cups last season were an a highlight. I'd hate to see Davidson get sacked, it's been a disastrous season obviously, the Mccan transfer and even Jason Kerr's just felt so deflating after the high of a cup double. We've not been impressive this season at all and its a wonder we even scraped into the playoffs. Personally it seems too soon to me to sack the manager, I mean who would really come into replace them. There's a danger we'd be another Scottish Football club under the rotation of Malky McKay/Mark Mcghee/Neil Mccann/Jack Ross/John Hughes. Davidsons is if nothing else firmly a St Johnstone man. Anyways, above all that, it's just been a relief to keep the run in the top flight going. That’s an odd mix of names for managers. Mackay has been manager of only one Scottish team, only had a year in post, and has been hugely successful in that role. Not saying I’d want him as manager but he’s hardly the same as the likes of John Hughes. I’m not sure I get the argument of ‘why sack a manager when someone worse might be appointed’. If someone is failing in their job, and the team is doing badly, the answer is to appoint someone better. The point is, Davidson has spent a large chunk of the season with ultra negative tactics, blaming the players for results, telling the fans the club don’t have a right to be in the division. He was given a large budget and brought in a lot of very poor players. He spent much of the season applying for every other job that moved (hardly showing that he’s firmly a Saints man), and the management team fell out with a player who could’ve been key to our success. To me he’s shown poor tactics, poor transfer dealings, poor man management with players. He has little grasp of budgets (the man went bankrupt not too long ago) or PR. Other than it would cost a decent chunk to sack him, I can’t see what reason there might be for keeping him. pezza70, Cagey, andy rhodes fancy watch and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Lethamite Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 Linky, do you actually believe that St Johnstone have a right to be in the top division? MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, Old Lethamite said: Linky, do you actually believe that St Johnstone have a right to be in the top division? Linky doesn't take a challenge too well, so be ready for their ad hominem. St Johnstone have no right to anything. Where we are, where we have been, what we have done, is incredible and achieved by stability of ownership and long term decisions on players, backroom staff and financies. So sacking a manager is not part of that. A manager whose apprenticeship only really finished when he got the job, having done his training in support of our other great manager TW, with placements in England and the Scotland National Team! Honestly, show us another manager out there with his CV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, MySpazz said: Where we are, where we have been, what we have done, is incredible and achieved by stability of ownership and long term decisions on players, backroom staff and financies. So sacking a manager is not part of that. Our current run of success was literally started by the club sacking a club legend halfway through their contract because they had us in a relegation battle... Linky, Saintdunc, garydavidson and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Our current run of success was literally started by the club sacking a club legend halfway through their contract because they had us in a relegation battle... Thought you meant Totten but you're a bit younger than me. Anyway the Browns can make a decision when they have to. Geoff anyway. This is probably the closest Steve has had to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Old Lethamite said: Linky, do you actually believe that St Johnstone have a right to be in the top division? Nope. No one has a right to be in any division. The point is, the manager was using this as a way of defending the poor performances this season. Making a comment like this publicly was about damage limitation for him. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, MySpazz said: Linky doesn't take a challenge too well, so be ready for their ad hominem. St Johnstone have no right to anything. Where we are, where we have been, what we have done, is incredible and achieved by stability of ownership and long term decisions on players, backroom staff and financies. So sacking a manager is not part of that. A manager whose apprenticeship only really finished when he got the job, having done his training in support of our other great manager TW, with placements in England and the Scotland National Team! Honestly, show us another manager out there with his CV. Correct . gav Stewart has a CV. he’s crap at picking sides for 5s mind MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Linky said: I’m not sure I get the argument of ‘why sack a manager when someone worse might be appointed’. If someone is failing in their job, and the team is doing badly, the answer is to appoint someone better. 100% agree with this. I find it absolutely baffling the number of people I've seen come out with an argument along the lines of "we shouldn't sack Davidson because who would we get to replace him". You don't stick with failure because you're scared of getting worse. You make a proactive change to make things better. St Johnstone would be a very attractive club to a lot of young managers and if Davidson was to go we'd be inundated with applications. People have seen the potential this club has, the stability it provides and the platform it's given managers in the past. To me it's incredibly odd that people think so little of Saints to think that if Davidson was to leave we'd be left with no better choice than to scrape the bottom of the John Hughes/Mark McGhee/Neil McCann barrel. It's a long, long time since we've gone for that sort of appointment (arguably we never have) and I very much doubt that it will suddenly become the club's strategy in the future. 12 hours ago, MySpazz said: A manager whose apprenticeship only really finished when he got the job, having done his training in support of our other great manager TW, with placements in England and the Scotland National Team! Honestly, show us another manager out there with his CV. This is actually one of the things I find most frustrating about Davidson. His CV is fantastic. There's absolutely no doubt about that. He's played at a very high level under some brilliant managers; he's coached all over Scotland and England, including at international level; he's worked in both the higher leagues and the lower leagues so you'd assume his contacts must be superb. And yet we don't really see any sign of any of that showing through in his signings, or his ideas, or his tactics. And meanwhile a club like Livingston, whose manager has barely any football CV at all, seems to be better than us at identifying and attracting players and has just finished comfortably above us in the league. Cagey, Saintdunc and Linky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 That's a big post by @blueheaven so I won't quote it. But the point about Martindale is a great one. Certainly this season Davidson ( with all his knowledge and proper football experience ) has been outperformed by a guy that started out as a community volunteer. Linky, SaintJet, blueheaven and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 11 hours ago, slf said: Correct . gav Stewart has a CV. he’s crap at picking sides for 5s mind You will never have to endure my side picking again after that comment LAUGH OUT LOUD Its a long waiting list for those that cross the gaffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 He's maybe a guid coach certainly not a manager.should stick tae his level. Broggy Man and Linky 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 I feel like Craig being given a coaching role is so Cleland has an assistant if/when Davdison leaves. I imagine Craig will be very good his new role, and am very pleased the club is keeping him when there were rumours of a move to Falkirk. SaintJet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, sixties saintee said: He's maybe a guid coach certainly not a manager.should stick tae his level. Who gav ? sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, THE LARK SAINT said: You will never have to endure my side picking again after that comment LAUGH OUT LOUD Its a long waiting list for those that cross the gaffer He should know better than to fall out with the 5 asides Steven McLean THE LARK SAINT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 I FK HATE THIS THREAD blueheaven and MySpazz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 29 minutes ago, byebyedundee said: I FK HATE THIS THREAD jhq, Broggy Man, garydavidson and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 19 hours ago, Linky said: I feel like Craig being given a coaching role is so Cleland has an assistant if/when Davdison leaves. I imagine Craig will be very good his new role, and am very pleased the club is keeping him when there were rumours of a move to Falkirk. Cleland will not be the next Saints manager. Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, jhq said: Cleland will not be the next Saints manager. Not saying he will, but he is usually interim whilst a permanent is appointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 Think we should close this thread as Brown doesn't have the balls to change things and now we have stayed up and we are not having to watch eye bleeding football every week ,support for Davidson on here has now grown to almost 20%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 49 minutes ago, Cagey said: Think we should close this thread as Brown doesn't have the balls to change things and now we have stayed up and we are not having to watch eye bleeding football every week ,support for Davidson on here has now grown to almost 20%. Brown wasn’t going to sack him regardless, I don’t think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted May 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 It's still very much a 'live' topic - why would we shut it down? If 20% are supporting the manager, 80% are not. blueheaven and sixties saintee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 The car boot sale is cancelled MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 I don’t think gav has ever been sacked. he has an extensive CV you know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.B:- Adz Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Callum is the longest serving Scottish Premiership manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 5/28/2022 at 12:19 PM, Cagey said: Think we should close this thread as Brown doesn't have the balls to change things and now we have stayed up and we are not having to watch eye bleeding football every week ,support for Davidson on here has now grown to almost 20%. Is it not contradictory to say that the chairman does not have the balls to sack the manager whilst at the same time saying the majority want him sacked. Surely the one thing you need in order to stand up to the fans and back your own decision is balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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