POLL: Should Craig Levein be sacked?

[crieffsaintandy]

P45 has to be on the desk Monday for the pair of them, actually played a bit better and Livi were going through the motions, could see it a mile away all the missed chances some guys out on their feet after 60 and the intense heat, only two people in the ground that didn't recognise it are the ones that matter.

[ex-montrosesaintee]

I voted no because I thought survival was the objective, and pre-levein that looked impossible.  3 weeks ago I thought we were going to be fine. What a total clusterfuvk this has now become.  

[Cagey]

10 minutes ago, ex-montrosesaintee said:

I voted no because I thought survival was the objective, and pre-levein that looked impossible.  3 weeks ago I thought we were going to be fine. What a total clusterfuvk this has now become.  

It's been a cluster **** since he took over at halftime in Motherwell game and turned a 2-0 win into a draw as he did in a few games that would have been enough to keep us up.

[blueheaven]

36 minutes ago, ex-montrosesaintee said:

I voted no because I thought survival was the objective, and pre-levein that looked impossible.  3 weeks ago I thought we were going to be fine. What a total clusterfuvk this has now become.  

Keeping this absolute grifter in a job because it was mistakenly thought he was in some way saving us from relegation is going to go down as the sole biggest mistake of the Brown era. It's been obvious for weeks now, if not months, that the only direction he's taking us in is down. We had bags of time to get rid of him and we've sat on our hands and wasted it.

If there's one thing I find more disappointing than anything else, it's the club's cowardly head-in-the-sand attitude to this whole mess. They've done literally nothing to turn it around. The incredible thing is there's actually still time to do something about this, and our snoozing, hiding board will continue to do nothing.

I honestly don't think we'd be any worse off right now if we'd just stuck with Macca.

[Kat71]

"If we play like that on Wednesday, I'll be more than happy." Would that be 25 shots on target and get beat 1-2. Mr Levein, you are an idiot.

[GOB10]

1 hour ago, ex-montrosesaintee said:

I voted no because I thought survival was the objective, and pre-levein that looked impossible.  3 weeks ago I thought we were going to be fine. What a total clusterfuvk this has now become.  

What are you voting now

[ex-montrosesaintee]

24 minutes ago, GOB10 said:

What are you voting now

Absolutely yes.

[Cagey]

57 minutes ago, Kat71 said:

"If we play like that on Wednesday, I'll be more than happy." Would that be 25 shots on target and get beat 1-2. Mr Levein, you are an idiot.

With all those shots Livi had more on target than us.

[Cagey]

1 hour ago, blueheaven said:

Keeping this absolute grifter in a job because it was mistakenly thought he was in some way saving us from relegation is going to go down as the sole biggest mistake of the Brown era. It's been obvious for weeks now, if not months, that the only direction he's taking us in is down. We had bags of time to get rid of him and we've sat on our hands and wasted it.

If there's one thing I find more disappointing than anything else, it's the club's cowardly head-in-the-sand attitude to this whole mess. They've done literally nothing to turn it around. The incredible thing is there's actually still time to do something about this, and our snoozing, hiding board will continue to do nothing.

I honestly don't think we'd be any worse off right now if we'd just stuck with Macca.

I think if Macca hadn't thrown the players under the bus after the St Mitten game he might not have been sacked.

He had to start the season with players he hadn't signed and a load of kids. That may have been his fault for being away over the summer on a course. I don't think he had responsibility for signings anyway.

If he was able to save us last season with 5 games left then he maybe could have done it with 20 odd.

[RandomGuy]

We lost 4-0 to Stirling Albion, at McDiarmid, with Steven MacLean as manager. We'd also failed to win any of our first 9 league games.

I liked his approach at the end of last season and felt he was shafted by the recruitment job he had to do in the Summer, but he'd clearly lost the plot, amd dressing room, by the end of his reign and I doubt we'd be any safer if we'd stuck with him longer.

Leveins costing us too much, and even when things are going well he tends to **** something and ruin it (like yesterday with a refusal to freshen the team while ahead). It gives me little hope we'll be able to win on Wednesday. 

It's a case of whether you think we gamble on a manager bounce 3 days before the biggest game of the season, or whether you hope the 1 win every month we get lately is coming against the worst away side in the league.

[Linky]

A managerial team of Cleland and Considine, pushing for promotion next season could actually be quite exciting.

[rik2304]

Considine isn't able to organise very effectively when he's on the pitch.

[Cagey]

I take it he's not gone yet !.

[R.B.B:- Adz]

52 minutes ago, rik2304 said:

Considine isn't able to organise very effectively when he's on the pitch.

Get him to f*** at the end of the season and he can take the other geriatric chancers with him. THOUSANDS freed up when him and the rest of dad’s army bow out. Au revoir! 

[RandomGuy]

Why do people think Considine would be a good manager? He doesn't organise at all well in the defence.

Far too much being read into the win under Cleland too.

[Gas Monkey]

I agree - nothing to suggest that the win v Killie was anything more than just a bounce from the removal of Maclean. Might work again in the short term v RC/Well/RR/PT but a long term solution, no thanks

[blueheaven]

20 minutes ago, Gas Monkey said:

I agree - nothing to suggest that the win v Killie was anything more than just a bounce from the removal of Maclean. Might work again in the short term v RC/Well/RR/PT but a long term solution, no thanks

That's the point, though, is it not? A short-term bounce could be the difference between staying up and going down. It could be all we need. How can that not have been worth a try?

I haven't seen anyone asking for Cleland to be given the job permanently, but given a choice between Cleland or Levein in charge for the remaining games, I know who I'd feel more confident with.

I wanted us to put Cleland back in after the Hibs defeat and nothing has happened since then to say that wouldn't have been the right call. The fact that we've lost both games since then has been entirely predictable, and yet for some baffling reason there were some saying you can't sack a manager with four games to go and that we should wait and see. We were still 10th in the league with one more point than Ross County at that stage. Now look at where we are. We're waiting and seeing ourselves all the way down to the Championship and it's the most infuriating thing I've ever seen happen at Saints.

[Quarterback]

2 hours ago, RandomGuy said:

Why do people think Considine would be a good manager? He doesn't organise at all well in the defence.

Far too much being read into the win under Cleland too.

Considine and Cleland in the short term might have enough clarity to change things when its not going well. At the moment the management are choking at every decision. Everybody can see when Adama is tired. Everyone knows what position the players play best, everyone can see dissent on the pitch or that our playbook is kick long to Adama. Somebody needs to be able to just have an input in the dressing room or on the pitch to Motivate the players. I think Considine and Cleland , can make those decisions.  Long term, it needs a modern approach. Using a school gym to train is not great, so many injured players, not great, Needs looking at. Definitely feel that is not the skills set of the  aforementioned SOS duo.

[RandomGuy]

2 hours ago, blueheaven said:

I haven't seen anyone asking for Cleland to be given the job permanently, but given a choice between Cleland or Levein in charge for the remaining games, I know who I'd feel more confident with.

I was responding to this...

5 hours ago, Linky said:

A managerial team of Cleland and Considine, pushing for promotion next season could actually be quite exciting.

... which seems crazy to me.

28 minutes ago, Quarterback said:

Considine and Cleland in the short term might have enough clarity to change things when its not going well. At the moment the management are choking at every decision. Everybody can see when Adama is tired. Everyone knows what position the players play best, everyone can see dissent on the pitch or that our playbook is kick long to Adama. Somebody needs to be able to just have an input in the dressing room or on the pitch to Motivate the players. I think Considine and Cleland , can make those decisions.  Long term, it needs a modern approach. Using a school gym to train is not great, so many injured players, not great, Needs looking at. Definitely feel that is not the skills set of the  aforementioned SOS duo.

Levein changed our shape, put more attacking players in, and went more aggressive against Livingston. It's not like he isn't seeing issues and attempting to resolve them.

I don't understand why Considine is picked as someone who can improve things? Is it literally just because he's retirement (from playing) age?

[Kat71]

I think Ryan McGowan has better attributes to get us out of our current position.

[Cagey]

3 hours ago, Gas Monkey said:

I agree - nothing to suggest that the win v Killie was anything more than just a bounce from the removal of Maclean. Might work again in the short term v RC/Well/RR/PT but a long term solution, no thanks

I don't think Clelland would want the job permanently.

Anyway as the days go by , looking more and more unlikely.

[blueheaven]

Interesting to see Hibs sacking their manager with two games left. We'd kill to be in Hibs' situation right now.

Do people think there's a possibility that Saints put some sort of clause in Levein's contract saying we can terminate it if he doesn't keep us up? That would explain why he hasn't gone, but such a clause could also inadvertently be the thing that kills us if it's forcing us to wait until relegation is official.

[MySpazz]

Solid case of 

 

"Didn't like the old manager, meet the new manager"

[Kat71]

The Hibs board certainly have more bottle than our’s, but still doesn’t hide the fact they keep getting their selection process wrong.

[RandomGuy]

43 minutes ago, Kat71 said:

The Hibs board certainly have more bottle than our’s.

They've waited until their season is completely dead to sack someone they had previously already admitted was getting sacked in the Summer. 

That's them now on 4 managers in 4 years.