Summer transfer window 2024

[SlickDT]

Andy Kirk's son 🤷🏼‍♂️

[bankfoot saint]

3 minutes ago, SlickDT said:

Andy Kirk's son 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yep just googled it 

[rik2304]

FFS

What a load of shite.

[GOB10]

23 minutes ago, bankfoot saint said:

And another one in got to assume theres going to be a striker leaving soon

Wtf is this nonsense! Back to jobs for the boys is it! Wonder how many chances levein and his dad will give him to be in the starting 11.. if its anything like the max scenario it will be plenty and we will suffer trying to shoehorn him in! My worry is at the expense of who!?. This guy wasn't cutting it in league one with Hamilton and was constantly on the bench!! Why is getting a chance at us! Pathetic 

[Kat71]

This is an example of very poor decision making by the manager. I wonder if Adam Webb would sanction nepotism. 

[R.B.B:- Adz]

44 minutes ago, rik2304 said:

FFS

What a load of shite.

 

30 minutes ago, GOB10 said:

Wtf is this nonsense! Back to jobs for the boys is it! Wonder how many chances levein and his dad will give him to be in the starting 11.. if its anything like the max scenario it will be plenty and we will suffer trying to shoehorn him in! My worry is at the expense of who!?. This guy wasn't cutting it in league one with Hamilton and was constantly on the bench!! Why is getting a chance at us! Pathetic 

 

1 minute ago, Kat71 said:

This is an example of very poor decision making by the manager. I wonder if Adam Webb would sanction nepotism. 

Go and do your research on him.

A VERY talented young striker that many Hearts fans had very high hopes for their first team this season.

A real coup!

[Saintdunc]

Might be a replacement for Adama who, as we know, came from the nether regions of the English pyramid. Kirk starred, and scored for fun in something called The Lowland League.

Maybe lightening could strike twice..............

[garydavidson]

He seems to have scored a barrel load for the Hearts B team in the lowland league, he scored 4 v Gretna which is always pleasing to see. Played 46, scored 43 and 9 assists. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/makenzie-kirk/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/700144/wettbewerb/SC5L

Very sporadic and limited time when he was at Hamilton. I assume there would be less of these comments if he weren't the son of one of the coaching staff. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/makenzie-kirk/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/700144/wettbewerb/SC3

[The Real Saints]

My qualms are as follows:

1. The manager has said that we're getting to the point where we need to get rid of players before bringing more in. We're lacking options in midfield, we're lacking options in defence, we aren't lacking options up front. Another striker absolutely isn't required, especially not in the present situation.

2. This leads me to believe that someone must be leaving, but who? The likeliest candidate is probably Stevie May, but he has been looking quite promising as a slightly deeper option and I was thinking that could prove a valuable asset for us this season. Excluding Ikpeazu, our other strikers are all fairly similar in the sense that they enjoy playing off the shoulder.

3. Regardless of how he has performed in the Lowland League, there isn't anything to suggest that he'll perform at Scottish Premiership level. In fact, he flopped in League One last season. I'd be surprised if you heard much, if any, positive feedback from Hamilton fans.

4. The Hearts fans' disappointment at his departure is (in the majority of cases) due to his scoring record at Lowland League level, rather than actually seeing him play. They were openly disappointed to lose Connor Smith as well. 

So, when you put all of that together, with the additional caveat that he is the assistant manager's son, it all feels a bit dubious to me.

[GOB10]

35 minutes ago, The Real Saints said:

My qualms are as follows:

1. The manager has said that we're getting to the point where we need to get rid of players before bringing more in. We're lacking options in midfield, we're lacking options in defence, we aren't lacking options up front. Another striker absolutely isn't required, especially not in the present situation.

2. This leads me to believe that someone must be leaving, but who? The likeliest candidate is probably Stevie May, but he has been looking quite promising as a slightly deeper option and I was thinking that could prove a valuable asset for us this season. Excluding Ikpeazu, our other strikers are all fairly similar in the sense that they enjoy playing off the shoulder.

3. Regardless of how he has performed in the Lowland League, there isn't anything to suggest that he'll perform at Scottish Premiership level. In fact, he flopped in League One last season. I'd be surprised if you heard much, if any, positive feedback from Hamilton fans.

4. The Hearts fans' disappointment at his departure is (in the majority of cases) due to his scoring record at Lowland League level, rather than actually seeing him play. They were openly disappointed to lose Connor Smith as well. 

So, when you put all of that together, with the additional caveat that he is the assistant manager's son, it all feels a bit dubious to me.

Couldn't have said it better 

[Cagey]

55 minutes ago, R.B.B:- Adz said:

 

 

Go and do your research on him.

A VERY talented young striker that many Hearts fans had very high hopes for their first team this season.

A real coup!

8 starts for Hamilton in half a season and no goals. I think that is a better guide than scoring for fun in the lowland league for a talented B team.

Extremely worrying that we are bringing in another striker when we need a decent creative midfielder and how does this tie in with needing a centre back and speedy winger.

The whole thing is extremely worrying.

[Cagey]

8 minutes ago, Cagey said:

8 starts for Hamilton in half a season and no goals. I think that is a better guide than scoring for fun in the lowland league for a talented B team.

Extremely worrying that we are bringing in another striker when we need a decent creative midfielder and how does this tie in with needing a centre back and speedy winger.

The whole thing is extremely worrying.

Sorry 152 minutes on pitch whilst with Hamilton. Must have made a big impression on the manger.

[RandomGuy]

1 hour ago, R.B.B:- Adz said:

 

 

Go and do your research on him.

A VERY talented young striker that many Hearts fans had very high hopes for their first team this season.

A real coup!

Genuinely can't tell if youre being sarcastic or not?

He turns 21 this season, has never played above League One, and couldn't break into Hamiltons side last season. And we've paid a fee for him.

We had a 17yo striker hit 9 goals in the Lowland League last season for a side worse than Hearts B, so his goal tally isn't particularly special for me, Hearts had 4 players hit double figures. Would you have been buzzing if we'd signed Luke Rankin from Alloa, who scored 3 less goals than Kirk and is younger?

Steven Naismith has said he wasn't near Hearts first team and was behind James Wilson, a 17yo, in the pecking order.

[Cagey]

And we are paying a fukin fee. It just gets better. Has Adam approved this shit.

[rik2304]

1 hour ago, R.B.B:- Adz said:

 

 

Go and do your research on him.

A VERY talented young striker that many Hearts fans had very high hopes for their first team this season.

A real coup!

If he'd scored a barrow load in League 1 a probably would be saying it's worth a shot. But he failed at Hamilton Accies. He's shown absolutely nothing to warrant this chance. Especially when we desperately need strengthening in other areas. 

The balance of the team is totally off. 

[Linky]

Scored a lot of goals, and was called up for N. Ireland u-21s. A bit weird that he’s Kirk’s son though. I wonder if May is gone, Kimpioka is being shifted to the wing and we’re going with Sidebeh, Ikpeazu, Clark and Kirk as our strikers.

Tbf looks like quite a lot of Hearts fans are pissed off they’ve let him go, and are asking if there’s a sell on fee etc.

Edited July 19, 2024 by Linky

[tucker]

Think I'll judge at end of window but we need to get a few players out either permanently or loans 

[Melbourne Saint]

On 7/18/2024 at 9:51 AM, Glasgow saintee said:

As much as the football was horrible to watch end of last season the gaffer done what he was brought in for. Kept us up. I’m pretty positive with the signings he brought in January and so far in summer. Feel we are 2/3 decent signings away from being a decent team who could play front foot edge of your seat football that we have been crying out for since the double 

Agree... Some of the criticism of CL and Kirk is justified. Some not. They inherited a mess. But he was brought in for 2 reasons... Keep us up and rebuild. He's done one and working on the other. Give the guy a break. Hello inherited a broken squad.

[blueheaven]

I've absolutely no idea if Kirk is any good (I'm guessing none of us do). What I will say though is that I think signing the manager/assistant manager's son feels like a bad idea. Whenever he has a bad game, people are going to chuck that at him and question why he's in the team. It even feels weird that the club announcement didn't mention him being Kirk's son, as it makes it look like something they're a bit embarrassed to tell us. So much of it just feels like a no-win situation. Personally I think a player like that needs to find their own way in the game and try to steer clear of their Dad's club, or they're forever going to carry the nepo-baby tag. It might be unfair but it's just unavoidable.

More generally, I'm finding our signing policy increasingly worrying. We're bringing in a lot of hopeful punts who might blossom in the future, but basically no one with the experience of our league to hit the ground running. I always think having a few players in that first category is a good thing, but you can't build your whole team around them. You need balance.

On top of that there's the fact that one minute we're told the budget's gone up, then we're told the manager's nearly at the point of not being able to sign anyone else without losing someone, then we're suddenly paying a fee to add a striker to a squad that is already overloaded with strikers (and I still think Levein will end up only playing only one striker a lot of the time anyway).

It all just feels a bit Football Manager to me and the strategy feels like it's all over the place. I can only pray that the "bigger" signings are still to come - but even if that does happen, the squad's going to be massive. Either way, it's just all starting to feel like a bit of a mess.

 

[glenrothes saintee]

Video of the guy. 

 

[rik2304]

24 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

I've absolutely no idea if Kirk is any good (I'm guessing none of us do). What I will say though is that I think signing the manager/assistant manager's son feels like a bad idea. Whenever he has a bad game, people are going to chuck that at him and question why he's in the team. It even feels weird that the club announcement didn't mention him being Kirk's son, as it makes it look like something they're a bit embarrassed to tell us. So much of it just feels like a no-win situation. Personally I think a player like that needs to find their own way in the game and try to steer clear of their Dad's club, or they're forever going to carry the nepo-baby tag. It might be unfair but it's just unavoidable.

More generally, I'm finding our signing policy increasingly worrying. We're bringing in a lot of hopeful punts who might blossom in the future, but basically no one with the experience of our league to hit the ground running. I always think having a few players in that first category is a good thing, but you can't build your whole team around them. You need balance.

On top of that there's the fact that one minute we're told the budget's gone up, then we're told the manager's nearly at the point of not being able to sign anyone else without losing someone, then we're suddenly paying a fee to add a striker to a squad that is already overloaded with strikers (and I still think Levein will end up only playing only one striker a lot of the time anyway).

It all just feels a bit Football Manager to me and the strategy feels like it's all over the place. I can only pray that the "bigger" signings are still to come - but even if that does happen, the squad's going to be massive. Either way, it's just all starting to feel like a bit of a mess.

 

Especially as our players with experience such as Clark, MacPherson and Wright are very injury prone.

[double deluxe]

57 minutes ago, blueheaven said:

I've absolutely no idea if Kirk is any good (I'm guessing none of us do). What I will say though is that I think signing the manager/assistant manager's son feels like a bad idea. Whenever he has a bad game, people are going to chuck that at him and question why he's in the team. It even feels weird that the club announcement didn't mention him being Kirk's son, as it makes it look like something they're a bit embarrassed to tell us. So much of it just feels like a no-win situation. Personally I think a player like that needs to find their own way in the game and try to steer clear of their Dad's club, or they're forever going to carry the nepo-baby tag. It might be unfair but it's just unavoidable.

More generally, I'm finding our signing policy increasingly worrying. We're bringing in a lot of hopeful punts who might blossom in the future, but basically no one with the experience of our league to hit the ground running. I always think having a few players in that first category is a good thing, but you can't build your whole team around them. You need balance.

On top of that there's the fact that one minute we're told the budget's gone up, then we're told the manager's nearly at the point of not being able to sign anyone else without losing someone, then we're suddenly paying a fee to add a striker to a squad that is already overloaded with strikers (and I still think Levein will end up only playing only one striker a lot of the time anyway).

It all just feels a bit Football Manager to me and the strategy feels like it's all over the place. I can only pray that the "bigger" signings are still to come - but even if that does happen, the squad's going to be massive. Either way, it's just all starting to feel like a bit of a mess.

 

Disagree here, in the professional game it shouldn’t matter that they’re father and son and I think the club were right to avoid mentioning it

[Cagey]

1 hour ago, blueheaven said:

I've absolutely no idea if Kirk is any good (I'm guessing none of us do). What I will say though is that I think signing the manager/assistant manager's son feels like a bad idea. Whenever he has a bad game, people are going to chuck that at him and question why he's in the team. It even feels weird that the club announcement didn't mention him being Kirk's son, as it makes it look like something they're a bit embarrassed to tell us. So much of it just feels like a no-win situation. Personally I think a player like that needs to find their own way in the game and try to steer clear of their Dad's club, or they're forever going to carry the nepo-baby tag. It might be unfair but it's just unavoidable.

More generally, I'm finding our signing policy increasingly worrying. We're bringing in a lot of hopeful punts who might blossom in the future, but basically no one with the experience of our league to hit the ground running. I always think having a few players in that first category is a good thing, but you can't build your whole team around them. You need balance.

On top of that there's the fact that one minute we're told the budget's gone up, then we're told the manager's nearly at the point of not being able to sign anyone else without losing someone, then we're suddenly paying a fee to add a striker to a squad that is already overloaded with strikers (and I still think Levein will end up only playing only one striker a lot of the time anyway).

It all just feels a bit Football Manager to me and the strategy feels like it's all over the place. I can only pray that the "bigger" signings are still to come - but even if that does happen, the squad's going to be massive. Either way, it's just all starting to feel like a bit of a mess.

 

Spot on.

I also worry how the coach's son in the squad will affect the dynamic within the team.

There could be the thought " he is only there because of his dad" especially if he is just average.

[blueheaven]

32 minutes ago, double deluxe said:

Disagree here, in the professional game it shouldn’t matter that they’re father and son and I think the club were right to avoid mentioning it

I agree it shouldn't matter, but it's clearly going to be a point of interest, and by not mentioning it it makes it look like a conscious decision has been made to keep it from people. This is what I mean by it being a no-win situation. Regardless of how the club handles this situation, people are going to draw attention to the issue and question it.

[Cagey]

With Ikpeazu injured and maybe Clark it will be interesting if Kirk makes the team /squad ahead of May.