RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 9 minutes ago, That Bar Toilet Attendant said: Honestly the collective noun for Saints fan’s should be a “complaint”. We are a business, we can make money, we can fill empty seats. Money that will bolster the squad next year. Take their money & fill one stand full of home support. 100% behind the club on this one especially as it’s a potential title decider. If Saints fans turned up then this wouldn’t be happening. Why do Saints fans not turn up? If we're relegated the club will be utterly and totally reliant on the home fans that they're trying to ostracise here. As it stands they haven't given us enough seats to have every season ticket holder + any PATG home fans in. The ~£60k-£70k earned here will be absolutely nothing after relegation. Even if they'd given us the Ormond and Main it would've been better and we'd still have made more money than usual. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 22 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: It's the way it's being done. They know things will be controversial so are trying to either hide it (making it public via LinkedIn) or bury it when fans spirits are high. This isn't the message Webb gave when he took over about how they'd treat fans. What would you like the club to do ? break it gently over yer cornflakes ,call you into the office and tell you there or send you a fuqing postcard . dave mc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, slf said: What would you like the club to do ? Be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezza70 Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 What’s the new name of the stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAH Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 The 'Three Quarters Full Stadium'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maskrey Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, slf said: Why should I boycott ? its those fans that choose not to go that damages for the rest . lets face it its safer in the one stand . I am going . If you agree with this decision and the reasons stated for it then go yes. I am saying for those who don’t, direct action is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizfit Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 (edited) 55 minutes ago, pezza70 said: What’s the new name of the stadium? The awayfans dome Edited March 12 by Mizfit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 I think the club needs to try to break the cycle of making these games always about how best to break bad news to the fans. It puts a negative cloud over the games before the tickets even go on sale. That probably contributes to the lack of home fans as much as anything else does. If we stay up, I'd love to see Saints really push the first OF home game of next season and make a properly big effort to get home fans to turn up, a bit like they did with the Aberdeen game at the start of this season. Go big and go positive and let's see what we can do. Come up with some special offers and some initiatives and really push the marketing. Commit to only giving the OF fans the one stand behind the goal and the far end of the Main Stand, and give Saints fans the rest of the ground. Encourage families into the Ormond Stand and put on face-painting etc in the stand. Let's do it once and see what happens. If it fails, the club can say they've actually done what the fans wanted and it didn't work. But if it works and we get a good crowd in, it could set the standard for how these games are handled in the future. We don't generally get gigantic crowds for these games any more anyway so it doesn't feel like it would be taking a huge risk to try this just once. PerthSaint01, Strawman, GASaint and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, RandomGuy said: It's nothing like that. It's like buying a concert ticket for standing and then, out of the blue, being told your seats getting changed to seating in a completely different part of the venue because someone else wants your standing ticket. But just remember you're not allowed to complain about that, question that, or contest that. You've just to nod your head and accept that that's how things work around here. Many buy the seat, and don't turn up, which means 1000s of other seats that could be sold can't be sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, blueheaven said: make a properly big effort to get home fans to turn up Someone remind me the definition of insanity? ...something about the same mistake over and over..expecting different results? You'd need to double the club staff in marketing and promotion, giving a huge budget to increase attendances by 30% - or you can sell to the customers with their wallet open. Edited March 12 by MySpazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, MySpazz said: Many buy the seat, and don't turn up, which means 1000s of other seats that could be sold can't be sold. They have paid for their seat ffs ,if they decide not to go to game its them that's losing money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 17 minutes ago, blueheaven said: I think the club needs to try to break the cycle of making these games always about how best to break bad news to the fans. It puts a negative cloud over the games before the tickets even go on sale. That probably contributes to the lack of home fans as much as anything else does. If we stay up, I'd love to see Saints really push the first OF home game of next season and make a properly big effort to get home fans to turn up, a bit like they did with the Aberdeen game at the start of this season. Go big and go positive and let's see what we can do. Come up with some special offers and some initiatives and really push the marketing. Commit to only giving the OF fans the one stand behind the goal and the far end of the Main Stand, and give Saints fans the rest of the ground. Encourage families into the Ormond Stand and put on face-painting etc in the stand. Let's do it once and see what happens. If it fails, the club can say they've actually done what the fans wanted and it didn't work. But if it works and we get a good crowd in, it could set the standard for how these games are handled in the future. We don't generally get gigantic crowds for these games any more anyway so it doesn't feel like it would be taking a huge risk to try this just once. I'm not being an arse but if they're not going to do it when fans are buzzing about the team/manager, we've just made a semi final, and we're trying to defy all the odds and avoid relegation, then they're literally never going to do it. It was the perfect chance and they've, yet again, taking the lazy/easy option of a quick buck and **** Saints fans because they'll stop moaning eventually. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 30 minutes ago, blueheaven said: I think the club needs to try to break the cycle of making these games always about how best to break bad news to the fans. It puts a negative cloud over the games before the tickets even go on sale. That probably contributes to the lack of home fans as much as anything else does. If we stay up, I'd love to see Saints really push the first OF home game of next season and make a properly big effort to get home fans to turn up, a bit like they did with the Aberdeen game at the start of this season. Go big and go positive and let's see what we can do. Come up with some special offers and some initiatives and really push the marketing. Commit to only giving the OF fans the one stand behind the goal and the far end of the Main Stand, and give Saints fans the rest of the ground. Encourage families into the Ormond Stand and put on face-painting etc in the stand. Let's do it once and see what happens. If it fails, the club can say they've actually done what the fans wanted and it didn't work. But if it works and we get a good crowd in, it could set the standard for how these games are handled in the future. We don't generally get gigantic crowds for these games any more anyway so it doesn't feel like it would be taking a huge risk to try this just once. We're breaking the cycle by heading for a lower division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 53 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: I'm not being an arse but if they're not going to do it when fans are buzzing about the team/manager, we've just made a semi final, and we're trying to defy all the odds and avoid relegation, then they're literally never going to do it. It was the perfect chance and they've, yet again, taking the lazy/easy option of a quick buck and **** Saints fans because they'll stop moaning eventually. Right, but just because they're not doing it now doesn't mean they can't try it next time. People can change and try new ideas. I just think there's been a huge malaise over these fixtures for years and the new board have allowed themselves to be sucked into that instead of taking a step back from it and thinking about how they could make the occasion better and more appealing. I'm so bored of all the messaging around these games being negative and apologetic and fearful of "safety". I don't think I've ever seen Saints actually try to positively promote one of these games. Make it a blue and white/teal and magenta/retro shirt/street food/whatever day. Invite Tommy Wright and the 2014 team onto the pitch before the match. Unveil something new at the stadium to commemorate the double win. Email season ticket holders and explain what's being attempted and ask them to come, and to bring friends and family with them and pack out the ground. Don't even talk about the OF fans and their allocation - just shove them in one end and concentrate on making it a positive occasion for the home support. I really don't think it would be all that difficult to do some of this stuff, and I reckon the fans would respond positively to it too. Strawman, KinrossSaint and PerthSaint01 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, MySpazz said: Someone remind me the definition of insanity? ...something about the same mistake over and over..expecting different results? You'd need to double the club staff in marketing and promotion, giving a huge budget to increase attendances by 30% - or you can sell to the customers with their wallet open. How is it making the same mistake over and over when Saints have literally never tried what I'm suggesting they try? The infrastructure for doing all of these things is already there, and they've done it before. Nothing I've suggested doing would involve a budget increase or "doubling the club staff". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 18 minutes ago, blueheaven said: Right, but just because they're not doing it now doesn't mean they can't try it next time. People can change and try new ideas. There's little to suggest there's any appetite within the club to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, RandomGuy said: There's little to suggest there's any appetite within the club to try. I disagree. The new owners have shown a lot more enthusiasm about numerous things than the previous owner did. They've also shown themselves to be open to suggestions and ideas from supporters. Just because they're handling this in a way you're not happy with, doesn't mean they have no appetite for improving the situation. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 11 minutes ago, blueheaven said: I disagree. The new owners have shown a lot more enthusiasm about numerous things than the previous owner did. They've also shown themselves to be open to suggestions and ideas from supporters. Just because they're handling this in a way you're not happy with, doesn't mean they have no appetite for improving the situation. Time will tell but I feel like you're projecting what you're hoping they'll be like onto them despite what they've just done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.B:- Adz Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 4 hours ago, RandomGuy said: Why do Saints fans not turn up? If we're relegated the club will be utterly and totally reliant on the home fans that they're trying to ostracise here. As it stands they haven't given us enough seats to have every season ticket holder + any PATG home fans in. The ~£60k-£70k earned here will be absolutely nothing after relegation. Even if they'd given us the Ormond and Main it would've been better and we'd still have made more money than usual. £70,000 could be the difference between two players choosing to sign for us or signing for Ayr, Livi, Partick. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAH Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Why doesn't everyone calm down and just plan ahead to watch the match on the telly wi' a couple o'tins o' Mcwans export & a Murrays pie???? MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HALLS ANGEL Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 If the club wants to move season ticket holders from one stand to another then it should be stated before selling season tickets. The giving three stands to Rangers for 2023 cup tie was different as that game was not included on season tickets. This is a far worse decision. For the club to blame season ticket holders not attending for this scenario and then punishing the ones who do go by moving them, is nonsensical. It’s not as if the people who don’t attend aren’t interested as the majority will watch the game on Television. The reason is the behaviour of the Old Firm fans and poor stewards. I presume the director’s arithmetic is good enough to know that they have a seat for every season ticket holder in the main stand. If you have a season ticket for the east stand claim your ticket whether you intend to go or not. Don’t make it easy for them. I understand them wanting to make money but don’t blame your core support in a statement that sounds like something that’s been thought up at a Primary School playtime. The feel good factor after winning on Monday was deflated with the draw and then the Club’s statement. I find it hard to believe that less than half season ticket holders attend Rangers and Celtic matches. The majority of the ones round me still go. I will go to both Celtic games just in case we win but I don’t think this helps to inspire the support for the semi final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, R.B.B:- Adz said: £70,000 could be the difference between two players choosing to sign for us or signing for Ayr, Livi, Partick. There was absolutely nothing stopping the club emailing season ticket holders explaining that while it seems a small amount it's actually substantial to a Championship level budget so, due to our league position, it's hard to decide against it. Then add they're happy to hear fans comments and will take a few days to consider their options before going forward with anything. Instead they just railroaded the decision, lied about why, and made sure to do it straight after a high point of the season to try and bury it. Strawman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crieffsaintandy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Going by this we'll no need many tickets for the semi then! Not fussed about moving to the west better seat and view, makes sense the east is like a morgue at these games, everyone in the one worked okay years ago and still got results against the gruesome twosome. Big Fran certainly upsetting a fair few, walk on music, stadium naming rights, ticket gait, tbf none of this gets me up or down, just go along and support the team, each to their own and at least he's being a bit proactive compared with what we had for the last few years. dave mc, R.B.B:- Adz and MySpazz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.B:- Adz Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: There was absolutely nothing stopping the club emailing season ticket holders explaining that while it seems a small amount it's actually substantial to a Championship level budget so, due to our league position, it's hard to decide against it. Then add they're happy to hear fans comments and will take a few days to consider their options before going forward with anything. Instead they just railroaded the decision, lied about why, and made sure to do it straight after a high point of the season to try and bury it. Yeah, offering a guy £500 a week more come and play for us instead of Partick is an important and that what £60-70000 gets you at this level. You are very cynical on the rest… MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, crieffsaintandy said: everyone in the one worked okay years ago and still got results against the gruesome twosome. We've only done it once since the 90s, haven't we? The Rangers game in the cup. Back in 2012ish we gave them the East but kept the Main and Ormond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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