Saints17 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 The fixtures look pretty decent for us but it’s hard to have much confidence going into these games with potentially three fit defenders in the whole squad. If Balodis picks anything up now, we’ll be in huge trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gort Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 47 minutes ago, blueheaven said: Seriously, how could anyone not like the current league format? This is setting up a brilliant end to the season with some potentially big crowds right across the board. Bollocks to swapping this run-in for a bigger league full of nothingy mid-table matches. Don't you get fed up playing the same teams four times, then in cups as well. Even the players are fed up of it. sixties saintee, glenrothes saintee and Saline Saint 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 COYS - we can. IBEX1251 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Don't thiñk there were any bottom 6 games shown on TV last season either but did BBC not show the play off games ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern saint Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Motherwell on poor run and fans on their back. We have to go for it from the first whistle. Five wins and whether or not we're relegated we can have confidence in next season in whichever league. MySpazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 3 hours ago, blueheaven said: Seriously, how could anyone not like the current league format? This is setting up a brilliant end to the season with some potentially big crowds right across the board. Bollocks to swapping this run-in for a bigger league full of nothingy mid-table matches. I do. i despise the current league format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, Gort said: Don't you get fed up playing the same teams four times, then in cups as well. Even the players are fed up of it. I agree. its bollocks . what other top league has this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 7 hours ago, Cagey said: Don't thiñk there were any bottom 6 games shown on TV last season either but did BBC not show the play off games ?. BBC tend to show the play-off quarter and semi finals. Sky show both legs of the final. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 7 hours ago, slf said: I agree. its bollocks . what other top league has this shit. From memory there's at least another 5, top tier, leagues in Europe that have split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 12 hours ago, Gort said: Don't you get fed up playing the same teams four times, then in cups as well. Even the players are fed up of it. It's probably the one down-side of the format, but it's still by far the best format I've seen proposed. Bringing Ayr/Partick/Morton into the league is not going to improve the quality of the league. Those clubs spend their time trapped in the lower leagues for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitchy Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Happy enough with the fixtures. That first weekend looks crucial. Dundee at Hearts, Ross County at Killie whilst we play Motherwell away. If we could get a win in that game, it would hopefully allow us to close the gap and build momentum going into two homes games. Ultimately though, if we continue to struggle to score and make constant errors, we are going to be down. I was so disappointed with how lethargic we looked at Tannadice on Saturday. We are going to need to try and replicate the energy, commitment and concentration that we displayed in the Celtic game for the remaining five league games. Really need one or more of our strikers to step up. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 2 hours ago, RandomGuy said: From memory there's at least another 5, top tier, leagues in Europe that have split. I am not talking about the split. how many top leagues of ten or twelve are there in Europe, when ye play the same teams 4 times in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, blueheaven said: It's probably the one down-side of the format, but it's still by far the best format I've seen proposed. Bringing Ayr/Partick/Morton into the league is not going to improve the quality of the league. Those clubs spend their time trapped in the lower leagues for good reason. How arrogant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 8 minutes ago, slf said: How arrogant. What's arrogant about it? If you introduce poorer teams into a league, the chances are you're going to make the league poorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 13 minutes ago, blueheaven said: What's arrogant about it? If you introduce poorer teams into a league, the chances are you're going to make the league poorer. The last time we were in that league it took us 7 years to get out . would you say the same about us when were in that league ? You got the I am okay fuqe the rest . dont even know where the club comes from . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 9 minutes ago, slf said: The last time we were in that league it took us 7 years to get out . would you say the same about us when were in that league ? You got the I am okay fuqe the rest . dont even know where the club comes from . Yes I would have said the same about us when we were in that league, because for a lot of the time when we were down there we were awful. We didn't get promoted for ages because we didn't deserve to get promoted. If you're not very good, you tend to not be in the top division. That's how leagues work. I don't get what your problem is with acknowledging that? I know plenty about where we've come from thanks, and I know that what we've achieved has been achieved on merit. I'm not saying Ayr and Morton should be prevented from achieving those things too. What I am saying is that they haven't achieved very much at all for decade after decade because they're not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_gain Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Club making some effort to encourage some more numbers for the last 5 fixtures: https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/post-split-ticket-offers blueheaven and garydavidson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee in exile Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 7 hours ago, blueheaven said: It's probably the one down-side of the format, but it's still by far the best format I've seen proposed. Bringing Ayr/Partick/Morton into the league is not going to improve the quality of the league. Those clubs spend their time trapped in the lower leagues for good reason. Yeah but if these smaller clubs were involved in a bigger league they would earn more revenue and be able to afford better players and in time become better teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 26 minutes ago, saintee in exile said: Yeah but if these smaller clubs were involved in a bigger league they would earn more revenue and be able to afford better players and in time become better teams? There are quite a few clubs in lower leagues with a larger support than us especially if they are doing well. I do think it is a bit arrogant to think a 22 team league with us in it is better than a 14 team league with Falkirk and Dunfermline or Patrick etc in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Thanks whoever bailed me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 16 hours ago, saintee in exile said: Yeah but if these smaller clubs were involved in a bigger league they would earn more revenue and be able to afford better players and in time become better teams? But what would the format be to facilitate this? Because if you're reducing the number of home games that teams get against the Old Firm, and you're also reducing the number of Old Firm derbies, then all of the clubs are going to get lower average home crowds and they're also going to get less TV money. So revenue across the board is going to go down, not up. And you're very probably also running the risk of increasing the gap between the OF and everyone else. And you're possibly also looking at ticket increases as clubs try to recoup what they've lost from other avenues. I absolutely hate that our league always has to revolve around the Old Firm issue but we can't just pretend that issue doesn't exist and isn't of importance to clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 15 hours ago, Cagey said: There are quite a few clubs in lower leagues with a larger support than us especially if they are doing well. I do think it is a bit arrogant to think a 22 team league with us in it is better than a 14 team league with Falkirk and Dunfermline or Patrick etc in it. How do you see a 14-team league working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, blueheaven said: How do you see a 14-team league working? Not worked that out yet. Was just saying there are potentially bigger supported teams than us that could step up. Definitely don't want to return to 10 team league to help OF. sane_tee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, Cagey said: Not worked that out yet. Was just saying there are potentially bigger supported teams than us that could step up. Definitely don't want to return to 10 team league to help OF. The thing is though, a bigger league could actually help the OF more than a smaller league. You could easily end up with a scenario where the OF keep getting stronger because their home crowds will stay large regardless of league size. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have reduced number of big crowds and increased number of small crowds. More clubs at the bottom end of the league could also increase the number of cricket-score whippings dealt out by the OF. You're potentially advocating a change that makes the gap between the OF and everyone else bigger, not smaller. I don't dispute that there are clubs lower down the leagues who could get bigger crowds than us. But like I said, there are reasons why some of these clubs have been stuck in the lower leagues for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern saint Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 I think as a fan, a larger league would be beneficial. The teams would have to be full-time, run age group and reserve teams so that there is more opportunity to bring players through. The present system rewards the same approach. TW v Simo? Playing each other so often we try and mitigate the tactics, strengths of the other and see few new wrinkles in pattern. With more teams, only playing each other twice in the league, in my opinion, would encourage experimentation in tactics as there will be dead games towards the end of the season. It would allow youngsters to be given a run to enable them to develop. Rose coloured glasses probably but I see youngsters playing better football, being better coached at 13-15 than in many Premier teams. As BlueHeaven says, it all comes down to money at the end. If the figures could match up, increased crowds from the likes of Falkirk, Dunfermline and the freshness in the game, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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