Linky Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Svedberg might come good, or maybe not, who knows. My point was, with the small budget we have, and in the situation we’re in, signing two midfielders that would appear to have been bought as first choice players, and then freezing them out seems not to be a good way forward. If they weren’t good enough, he shouldn’t have brought them in. These aren’t young, cheap squad fillers we’re talking about. Arguably, you can take a punt on someone like McPake as a cheap squad filler who may come good. I would suggest he’s actually shown some promise considering the game time he has had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizfit Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Svedberg is basically the new Theo Bair. Signed from summer league in the middle of his pre-season. We’ve seen if he can adapt yet but he’s struggling so why continue to play him when we’ve someone else who can slot in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, Linky said: Svedberg might come good, or maybe not, who knows. My point was, with the small budget we have, and in the situation we’re in, signing two midfielders that would appear to have been bought as first choice players, and then freezing them out seems not to be a good way forward. If they weren’t good enough, he shouldn’t have brought them in. These aren’t young, cheap squad fillers we’re talking about. Arguably, you can take a punt on someone like McPake as a cheap squad filler who may come good. I would suggest he’s actually shown some promise considering the game time he has had. Have they been frozen out? As others have said we had other choices who turned us down because of our position. We weren't in a place of strength during the January transfer window unlike where Levein was wasting money in summer. Also do you know the salaries of the people you have mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, garydavidson said: Have they been frozen out? As others have said we had other choices who turned us down because of our position. We weren't in a place of strength during the January transfer window unlike where Levein was wasting money in summer. Also do you know the salaries of the people you have mentioned? They seem to have been to me. No - but are you suggesting that someone signed from Stirling Albion, is going to be on a higher wage that someone signed from the Swedish premier league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 14 Author Report Share Posted April 14 4 hours ago, Linky said: Svedberg might come good, or maybe not, who knows. My point was, with the small budget we have, and in the situation we’re in, signing two midfielders that would appear to have been bought as first choice players, and then freezing them out seems not to be a good way forward. If they weren’t good enough, he shouldn’t have brought them in. These aren’t young, cheap squad fillers we’re talking about. Arguably, you can take a punt on someone like McPake as a cheap squad filler who may come good. I would suggest he’s actually shown some promise considering the game time he has had. I think describing him as "frozen out" is a bit much. Svedberg's had a few disappointing games so now he's on the bench. Would you rather the manager persisted with playing him every week if he's not performing? I see him as someone who has been signed with the longer term in mind and hopefully we'll see better from him next season once he's had a pre-season here under his belt. If that doesn't happen then I'll agree he's been a bad signing. Every manager will make some signings who don't work out. Even Tommy had his fair share of flops. But I'm pleased to see us targeting players with Svedberg's general profile and I hope we go for more of those. Willie Peat, PerthSaint01 and IBEX1251 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Watt has been a huge disappointment. In a season of disappointing players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 We have had a problem recruiting players for years now. We have had a couple of guys who were supposed to be hesd of recruitment but never brought in any decent players. We now seemed to have found something for Gus McPherson to do, unsuccessfuly by the looks of it and we will have Roddy hanging around the board room like a bad smell. sixties saintee and Bruno Strasser 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 15 Author Report Share Posted April 15 10 hours ago, Cagey said: We now seemed to have found something for Gus McPherson to do, unsuccessfuly by the looks of it Honestly not sure what you're basing this judgement on? We've only had one window since his remit changed to include recruitment and I'd say we recruited pretty well in that window, given that we know several first-choice targets pulled out of signing for us because we dropped to the bottom of the league. We recruited eight players in that window and other than Watt who hasn't played much (and was probably a bit of a late punt to bolster numbers anyway) and Svedberg who I think we all agree needs more time, I'd say they're all improvements on what we had previously. lindz105, PerthSaint01 and Aitchy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitchy Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 (edited) It all ifs, but and maybes, but I do think if he had been able to get either Eremenko or Jean-Paul Boetius signed in January we would be in a much better position. Team is crying out for an attacking midfielder who can take a player on and thread passes through to our strikers. Carey does offer some threat, but he cant do it every week. Edited April 15 by Aitchy Cagey, PerthSaint01, garydavidson and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizfit Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 16 minutes ago, Aitchy said: It all ifs, but and maybes, but I do think if he had been able to get either Eremenko or Jean-Paul Boetius signed in January we would be in a much better position. Team is crying out for an attacking midfielder who can take a player on and thread passes through to our strikers. Carey does offer some threat, but he cant do it every week. It took us what, 12 days to land Fisher? End of the day players don’t want to join a side battling the drop unless they’re desperate for a chance in a different country, or want to impress their current employers. Damage was done long before January, and the alleged stories slowly coming out from the club confirms what I feared for a long time. A dressing room of bad eggs who didn’t care. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 53 minutes ago, Mizfit said: It took us what, 12 days to land Fisher? End of the day players don’t want to join a side battling the drop unless they’re desperate for a chance in a different country, or want to impress their current employers. Damage was done long before January, and the alleged stories slowly coming out from the club confirms what I feared for a long time. A dressing room of bad eggs who didn’t care. Starting with Levein. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, blueheaven said: Honestly not sure what you're basing this judgement on? We've only had one window since his remit changed to include recruitment and I'd say we recruited pretty well in that window, given that we know several first-choice targets pulled out of signing for us because we dropped to the bottom of the league. We recruited eight players in that window and other than Watt who hasn't played much (and was probably a bit of a late punt to bolster numbers anyway) and Svedberg who I think we all agree needs more time, I'd say they're all improvements on what we had previously. Yeah it was a bit harsh. Could have been worse. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizfit Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Just now, Cagey said: Starting with Levein. Aye, Sadly the new regimes first decision could be the biggest mistake. Levein should’ve been shown the door at the first possible opportunity and given a new manager a chance to rebuild in the summer. Too often we’ve seen how difficult a January rebuild can be, and it’s Simo who’s been caught out by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAH Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, Cagey said: Starting with Levein. What 'alleged stories'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Just now, CAH said: What 'alleged stories'? I was just commenting on Levein being a useless kunt. Don't know anything about dressing room stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAH Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Come on. Don't be shy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 15 hours ago, blueheaven said: I think describing him as "frozen out" is a bit much. Svedberg's had a few disappointing games so now he's on the bench. Would you rather the manager persisted with playing him every week if he's not performing? I see him as someone who has been signed with the longer term in mind and hopefully we'll see better from him next season once he's had a pre-season here under his belt. If that doesn't happen then I'll agree he's been a bad signing. Every manager will make some signings who don't work out. Even Tommy had his fair share of flops. But I'm pleased to see us targeting players with Svedberg's general profile and I hope we go for more of those. All I'm saying is, whilst for the most part I think Simo has done a good job of bringing in players when we're in difficult circumstances, I do worry about the way that some players have been underused who could have offered something more. None of them are perfect, but I think Raymond, Smith, Svedberg, Franczak, Kimpioka and Watt could all have played a bigger role over the last weeks and months, to some degree. We talked about Simo bringing in his own players, that he can't be judged on Levein's squad, etc. etc. - as time goes on this needs to be set right. He can't make the same mistakes as Levein and use up the budget for players that turn out to be not good enough or that he's not willing to play I'm hopeful that, given a whole summer, he can set things right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Paddy Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 but I think Raymond, Smith, Svedberg, Franczak, Kimpioka and Watt could all have played a bigger role Raymond- rumours abound, but leaving them aside. Started brightly and faded fast. Was a liability when taken out of the side. Smith - cracking player when he could be bothered. Think he has only shown this twice in a saints jersey. Svedberg - parachuted into an abject side when not ready, hasn't shown what his history suggests he is capable of. Disappointing at this time. Franzack - let's not lay all our expectations at the feet of a 19 year old. Definitely has potential. Agreed, expected him to feature more in some capacity. Kimpioka - very public reasons why he didn't feature, think back room have played a blinder getting him back in the squad. Watt - didn't show anything, seemed disinterested. Good bye. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Franczaks been injured on and off aswell apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted April 15 Author Report Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Linky said: All I'm saying is, whilst for the most part I think Simo has done a good job of bringing in players when we're in difficult circumstances, I do worry about the way that some players have been underused who could have offered something more. None of them are perfect, but I think Raymond, Smith, Svedberg, Franczak, Kimpioka and Watt could all have played a bigger role over the last weeks and months, to some degree. We talked about Simo bringing in his own players, that he can't be judged on Levein's squad, etc. etc. - as time goes on this needs to be set right. He can't make the same mistakes as Levein and use up the budget for players that turn out to be not good enough or that he's not willing to play I'm hopeful that, given a whole summer, he can set things right I think there are fairly well documented reasons why the players you name have slipped out of the picture, whether it's attitude problems, personal issues, injuries or just plain poor form. Perhaps it could be argued that Simo should have made it his job to resolve some of those issues and get the best out of people, but equally I think he probably hasn't had the luxury of time so has made the decision to give his attention to the players he thinks he can get the most out of. There's a lot of dead wood in the squad and it's still looking pretty imbalanced so we definitely need to have a good summer window and we need the majority of the next batch of signings to be successful ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 2 hours ago, Mizfit said: Aye, Sadly the new regimes first decision could be the biggest mistake. Levein should’ve been shown the door at the first possible opportunity and given a new manager a chance to rebuild in the summer. Too often we’ve seen how difficult a January rebuild can be, and it’s Simo who’s been caught out by it. To be fair the fact the purchase went through so late in summer didn't really help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 On 4/8/2025 at 12:46 PM, blueheaven said: Assuming most transfer talk from this point on will be for the summer window, so kicking off a new thread to look ahead. There are 26 players whose deals with Saints are due to expire this summer (all highlighted in orange below). Here's the squad situation as it stands: Goalkeepers Andy Fisher - 2025 - on loan from Swansea City Kyle Thomson - 2025(?) - on loan at St Andrews United Josh Rae - 2026 - on loan at Raith Rovers Ross Sinclair - 2026 Craig Hepburn - 2027 Defenders/wing backs Sam Curtis - 2025 - on loan from Sheffield United Zach Mitchell - 2025 - on loan from Charlton Athletic Barry Douglas - 2025 Sam McClelland - 2025 Bayley Klimionek - 2025 - on loan at Civil Service Strollers Liam Parker - 2025 - on loan at Cove Rangers Joe Ellison - 2025 Scott Bright - 2025(?) - on loan at Brechin City Bozo Mikulic - 2026 Daniels Balodis - 2026 Andre Raymond - 2026 - on loan at Dunfermline Athletic Midfielders/wingers Max Kucheriavyi - 2025 Matt Smith - 2025 Cammy MacPherson - 2025 - on loan at Tampa Bay Rowdies Sven Sprangler - 2025 Graham Carey - 2025 Drey Wright - 2025 Elliot Watt - 2025 - on loan from Burton Albion Stephen Duke-McKenna - 2025 - on loan from Harrogate Town Alex Ferguson - 2025 - on loan at Forfar Athletic Arran Cocks - 2025 - on loan at Jeanfield Swifts Ben McCrystal - 2025 - on loan at Berwick Rangers Jason Holt - 2026 Jonathan Svedberg - 2026 Josh McPake - 2026 Fran Franczak - 2026 Taylor Steven - 2026 Victor Griffith - 2026 Aaron Essel - 2027 - on loan at North Texas SC Forwards Nicky Clark - 2025 Benjamin Kimpioka - 2025 Stevie May - 2025 - on loan at Livingston Jackson Mylchreest - 2025 Adam McMillan - 2025 Adama Sidibeh - 2026 Uche Ikpeazu - 2026 Makenzie Kirk - 2026 Svedberg and Watt never got on the park yesterday. Smith not even in squad and Max seems to have disappeared of the face of the earth. We have a bench without defenders and a defendejr playing with a broken nose. You are always going to get suspension and injuries so to leave us short at the back and loaded with midfielders that aren't deemed good enough to even get on the field. This next window looks like it will be the same clusterfuk as the last 3 or 4 seasons mainly due to , like previous seasons, we don't know what league we will be in. Saints have to start with the decision who we offer contacts to for next season. Not many I would assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints17 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Declan Gallagher being released by Dundee United. Would make a lot of sense for us. Stumpy1949 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Peat Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, Saints17 said: Declan Gallagher being released by Dundee United. Would make a lot of sense for us. I think Saints tried to get him a few years ago but he opted for Motherwell as I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 29 minutes ago, Willie Peat said: I think Saints tried to get him a few years ago but he opted for Motherwell as I recall. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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