Summer 2025 transfer window

[Linky]

Svedberg might come good, or maybe not, who knows. My point was, with the small budget we have, and in the situation we’re in, signing two midfielders that would appear to have been bought as first choice players, and then freezing them out seems not to be a good way forward.

If they weren’t good enough, he shouldn’t have brought them in. These aren’t young, cheap squad fillers we’re talking about. Arguably, you can take a punt on someone like McPake as a cheap squad filler who may come good. I would suggest he’s actually shown some promise considering the game time he has had.

[Mizfit]

Svedberg is basically the new Theo Bair. Signed from  summer league in the middle of his pre-season. We’ve seen if he can adapt yet but he’s struggling so why continue to play him when we’ve someone else who can slot in? 

[garydavidson]

2 hours ago, Linky said:

Svedberg might come good, or maybe not, who knows. My point was, with the small budget we have, and in the situation we’re in, signing two midfielders that would appear to have been bought as first choice players, and then freezing them out seems not to be a good way forward.

If they weren’t good enough, he shouldn’t have brought them in. These aren’t young, cheap squad fillers we’re talking about. Arguably, you can take a punt on someone like McPake as a cheap squad filler who may come good. I would suggest he’s actually shown some promise considering the game time he has had.

Have they been frozen out? As others have said we had other choices who turned us down because of our position. We weren't in a place of strength during the January transfer window unlike where Levein was wasting money in summer.

Also do you know the salaries of the people you have mentioned?

[Linky]

1 hour ago, garydavidson said:

Have they been frozen out? As others have said we had other choices who turned us down because of our position. We weren't in a place of strength during the January transfer window unlike where Levein was wasting money in summer.

Also do you know the salaries of the people you have mentioned?

They seem to have been to me.

No - but are you suggesting that someone signed from Stirling Albion, is going to be on a higher wage that someone signed from the Swedish premier league?

[blueheaven]

4 hours ago, Linky said:

Svedberg might come good, or maybe not, who knows. My point was, with the small budget we have, and in the situation we’re in, signing two midfielders that would appear to have been bought as first choice players, and then freezing them out seems not to be a good way forward.

If they weren’t good enough, he shouldn’t have brought them in. These aren’t young, cheap squad fillers we’re talking about. Arguably, you can take a punt on someone like McPake as a cheap squad filler who may come good. I would suggest he’s actually shown some promise considering the game time he has had.

I think describing him as "frozen out" is a bit much. Svedberg's had a few disappointing games so now he's on the bench. Would you rather the manager persisted with playing him every week if he's not performing? I see him as someone who has been signed with the longer term in mind and hopefully we'll see better from him next season once he's had a pre-season here under his belt. If that doesn't happen then I'll agree he's been a bad signing.

Every manager will make some signings who don't work out. Even Tommy had his fair share of flops. But I'm pleased to see us targeting players with Svedberg's general profile and I hope we go for more of those. 

[rik2304]

Watt has been a huge disappointment. In a season of disappointing players.

[Cagey]

We have had a problem recruiting players for years now. We have had a couple of guys who were supposed to be hesd of recruitment but never brought in any decent players.

We now seemed to have found something for Gus McPherson to do, unsuccessfuly by the looks of it and we will have Roddy hanging around the board room like a bad smell.

[blueheaven]

10 hours ago, Cagey said:

We now seemed to have found something for Gus McPherson to do, unsuccessfuly by the looks of it 

Honestly not sure what you're basing this judgement on? We've only had one window since his remit changed to include recruitment and I'd say we recruited pretty well in that window, given that we know several first-choice targets pulled out of signing for us because we dropped to the bottom of the league.

We recruited eight players in that window and other than Watt who hasn't played much (and was probably a bit of a late punt to bolster numbers anyway) and Svedberg who I think we all agree needs more time, I'd say they're all improvements on what we had previously.

[Aitchy]

It all ifs, but and maybes, but I do think if he had been able to get either Eremenko or Jean-Paul Boetius signed in January we would be in a much better position. Team is crying out for an attacking midfielder who can take a player on and thread passes through to our strikers. Carey does offer some threat, but he cant do it every week.

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:07 AM by Aitchy

[Mizfit]

16 minutes ago, Aitchy said:

It all ifs, but and maybes, but I do think if he had been able to get either Eremenko or Jean-Paul Boetius signed in January we would be in a much better position. Team is crying out for an attacking midfielder who can take a player on and thread passes through to our strikers. Carey does offer some threat, but he cant do it every week.

 

It took us what, 12 days to land Fisher? End of the day players don’t want to join a side battling the drop unless they’re desperate for a chance in a different country, or want to impress their current employers. 
 

Damage was done long before January, and the alleged stories slowly coming out from the club confirms what I feared for a long time. A dressing room of bad eggs who didn’t care. 

[Cagey]

53 minutes ago, Mizfit said:

It took us what, 12 days to land Fisher? End of the day players don’t want to join a side battling the drop unless they’re desperate for a chance in a different country, or want to impress their current employers. 
 

Damage was done long before January, and the alleged stories slowly coming out from the club confirms what I feared for a long time. A dressing room of bad eggs who didn’t care. 

Starting with Levein.

[Cagey]

1 hour ago, blueheaven said:

Honestly not sure what you're basing this judgement on? We've only had one window since his remit changed to include recruitment and I'd say we recruited pretty well in that window, given that we know several first-choice targets pulled out of signing for us because we dropped to the bottom of the league.

We recruited eight players in that window and other than Watt who hasn't played much (and was probably a bit of a late punt to bolster numbers anyway) and Svedberg who I think we all agree needs more time, I'd say they're all improvements on what we had previously.

Yeah it was a bit harsh. Could have been worse.

[Mizfit]

Just now, Cagey said:

Starting with Levein.

Aye, Sadly the new regimes first decision could be the biggest mistake. Levein should’ve been shown the door at the first possible opportunity and given a new manager a chance to rebuild in the summer. 
 

Too often we’ve seen how difficult a January rebuild can be, and it’s Simo who’s been caught out by it.

[CAH]

5 minutes ago, Cagey said:

Starting with Levein.

What 'alleged stories'?

[Cagey]

Just now, CAH said:

What 'alleged stories'?

I was just commenting on Levein being a useless kunt. Don't know anything about dressing room stories.

[CAH]

Come on. Don't be shy!

[Linky]

15 hours ago, blueheaven said:

I think describing him as "frozen out" is a bit much. Svedberg's had a few disappointing games so now he's on the bench. Would you rather the manager persisted with playing him every week if he's not performing? I see him as someone who has been signed with the longer term in mind and hopefully we'll see better from him next season once he's had a pre-season here under his belt. If that doesn't happen then I'll agree he's been a bad signing.

Every manager will make some signings who don't work out. Even Tommy had his fair share of flops. But I'm pleased to see us targeting players with Svedberg's general profile and I hope we go for more of those. 

All I'm saying is, whilst for the most part I think Simo has done a good job of bringing in players when we're in difficult circumstances, I do worry about the way that some players have been underused who could have offered something more. None of them are perfect, but I think Raymond, Smith, Svedberg, Franczak, Kimpioka and Watt could all have played a bigger role over the last weeks and months, to some degree.

We talked about Simo bringing in his own players, that he can't be judged on Levein's squad, etc. etc. - as time goes on this needs to be set right. He can't make the same mistakes as Levein and use up the budget for players that turn out to be not good enough or that he's not willing to play

I'm hopeful that, given a whole summer, he can set things right

[St. Paddy]

but I think Raymond, Smith, Svedberg, Franczak, Kimpioka and Watt could all have played a bigger role

Raymond- rumours abound, but leaving them aside. Started brightly and faded fast. Was a liability when taken out of the side.

Smith - cracking player when he could be bothered. Think he has only shown this twice in a saints jersey.

Svedberg - parachuted into an abject side when not ready, hasn't shown what his history suggests he is capable of. Disappointing at this time.

Franzack - let's not lay all our expectations at the feet of a 19 year old. Definitely has potential. Agreed, expected him to feature more in some capacity.

Kimpioka - very public reasons why he didn't feature, think back room have played a blinder getting him back in the squad.

Watt - didn't show anything, seemed disinterested. Good bye. 

[RandomGuy]

Franczaks been injured on and off aswell apparently. 

[blueheaven]

1 hour ago, Linky said:

All I'm saying is, whilst for the most part I think Simo has done a good job of bringing in players when we're in difficult circumstances, I do worry about the way that some players have been underused who could have offered something more. None of them are perfect, but I think Raymond, Smith, Svedberg, Franczak, Kimpioka and Watt could all have played a bigger role over the last weeks and months, to some degree.

We talked about Simo bringing in his own players, that he can't be judged on Levein's squad, etc. etc. - as time goes on this needs to be set right. He can't make the same mistakes as Levein and use up the budget for players that turn out to be not good enough or that he's not willing to play

I'm hopeful that, given a whole summer, he can set things right

I think there are fairly well documented reasons why the players you name have slipped out of the picture, whether it's attitude problems, personal issues, injuries or just plain poor form. Perhaps it could be argued that Simo should have made it his job to resolve some of those issues and get the best out of people, but equally I think he probably hasn't had the luxury of time so has made the decision to give his attention to the players he thinks he can get the most out of. 

There's a lot of dead wood in the squad and it's still looking pretty imbalanced so we definitely need to have a good summer window and we need the majority of the next batch of signings to be successful ones.

[garydavidson]

2 hours ago, Mizfit said:

Aye, Sadly the new regimes first decision could be the biggest mistake. Levein should’ve been shown the door at the first possible opportunity and given a new manager a chance to rebuild in the summer. 
 

Too often we’ve seen how difficult a January rebuild can be, and it’s Simo who’s been caught out by it.

To be fair the fact the purchase went through so late in summer didn't really help.