Two Js

Someone say Steve May scored ? Who in the Elgin defence made a mistake to make him look like the formidable striker returns. Suppose it’s only Elgin and he has found his niche . Can we play you every week Elgin ? A season like last and we soon be playing you 4 times !!!  

Don't tease us with these snippets. We need to focus on the worst case scenario so that anything better is seen as a massive win.

Don't tease us with these snippets. We need to focus on the worst case scenario so that anything better is seen as a massive win.

As said it’s on link 

Streaming of the games is great.  The only problem is casting it to my TV, so it could well be something I am doing wrong. As @blueheaven says it is a bit odd that all other teams streaming of games cast with no problem.  I don't suppose I'll ever find out the real reason, but I've found a way of getting round the problem so I'm quite happy.

The point could be made that getting so worked up about how the club phrased a statement when the situation is so serious is a bit over-the-top. You could also take issue with what Klopp said, which would suggest he might be disappointed that the games have been cancelled.  "Of course, we don’t want to play in front of an empty stadium and we don’t want games or competitions suspended".

I went passed the police control box at half time and their screen showed 2441.  I don't know if that is the official number though.

If you meant that it is absolute genius.  It might trigger @Melbourne Saint though. 

If you meant that it is absolute genius.  It might trigger @Melbourne Saint though. 

Well that’s that then

Jesus H Christ AS, it's like you have been brainwashed by some mysterious cult or you have some strange mental block.  Way against my better judgement I am going to try one more time:
I AM NOT AGAINST SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE.  If I could truly believe that an independent Scotland would be financially better off than it is today, and therefore bring extra benefits to the people of Scotland, I would be down at the voting booth putting my cross in the YES box - and so would every other Scot. The big stumbling block is even you have admitted that this cannot be guaranteed.
One example:  I think I remember that during the last campaign we were told that every Scot would be £700 a year better off, but on the eve of the referendum the man who had spent his entire political career getting to that point couldn't even tell us what currency we would be using.  How can you carry out financial forecasting without taking into account which currency would be involved?
My whole complaint is that the SNP have abandoned any hope of convincing people that we are heading for a land of milk and honey, and instead are attacking anyone and anything remotely connected to England and the Tories. (You do remember this started with your "Home Nations" complaint).  The National is just another example of this obsessive and monotonous drive to alienate Scots against the rest of the UK, in this instance forsaking any attempt at journalistic integrity.  (Can you honestly say the childish tweeting of a minor political figure in Ayrshire is more relevant than the tragic and mysterious death of a 6 year old girl?)
Please, please, please don't reply with "whataboutery".  I know the NO campaign produced more sh!te than a herd of cows with diarrhea.  I am a proud Scot and I want the best for Scotland - everybody else is getting independence doesn't necessarily mean being independent is the right move for us at the moment. 

Jesus H Christ AS, it's like you have been brainwashed by some mysterious cult or you have some strange mental block.  Way against my better judgement I am going to try one more time:
I AM NOT AGAINST SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE.  If I could truly believe that an independent Scotland would be financially better off than it is today, and therefore bring extra benefits to the people of Scotland, I would be down at the voting booth putting my cross in the YES box - and so would every other Scot. The big stumbling block is even you have admitted that this cannot be guaranteed.
One example:  I think I remember that during the last campaign we were told that every Scot would be £700 a year better off, but on the eve of the referendum the man who had spent his entire political career getting to that point couldn't even tell us what currency we would be using.  How can you carry out financial forecasting without taking into account which currency would be involved?
My whole complaint is that the SNP have abandoned any hope of convincing people that we are heading for a land of milk and honey, and instead are attacking anyone and anything remotely connected to England and the Tories. (You do remember this started with your "Home Nations" complaint).  The National is just another example of this obsessive and monotonous drive to alienate Scots against the rest of the UK, in this instance forsaking any attempt at journalistic integrity.  (Can you honestly say the childish tweeting of a minor political figure in Ayrshire is more relevant than the tragic and mysterious death of a 6 year old girl?)
Please, please, please don't reply with "whataboutery".  I know the NO campaign produced more sh!te than a herd of cows with diarrhea.  I am a proud Scot and I want the best for Scotland - everybody else is getting independence doesn't necessarily mean being independent is the right move for us at the moment. 

So, you think one of the biggest political decisions the people of Scotland will be asked to make can be decided on a "Yeah but, No but, Yeah but" argument.  This "He said, she said" rubbish would sound pathetic in a school playground.  Now I'm sure you will say "Well you started it" but I was merely pointing out that the independence campaign has said nothing positive about their position for months.  It's all "Look at what the nasty (insert something British here) are doing to us!"
I have lived in Scotland, as part of the UK, for many a long year now, and I don't need any Unionist to tell me what it's like.  What I need is the Nationalists to convince me that things would be better if Scotland was independent - something you have spectacular failed to do.  If you come back after the full impact of Brexit is known you might have more success.
You have managed to provide a lot of rhetoric without addressing any specific points.  Quite clearly the Nationalists are still in full attack mode, so I will listen to their (your) arguments when they restart the charm offensive.
Finally, you have practically accused me of being a Unionist supporter.  Another problem with your cause - if your not with us then you must be against us. 
That's all from me.  I'm out.

But if people had the raw figures and had something to compare them against then they at least have the information. I suppose the word governor was a bad use of a word maybe a simple accountant would have been better.
i am not pro independence or pro union I am simply pro let us make the choice and give us the facts to do so.
take Brexit the fishermen were reeled in (excuse the pun) with we will control our waters. Fact is if Westminster losses London as the financial capitol of Europe they will be broke so already the fishermen have realised they yet again will be sold down the river. I speak from knowledge on this. We deal a lot with the fishermen in Shetland and there mood has com0letely changed on Brexit many other industry,s will face the same fate including mine agriculture. We have already been gazumped by cheap Romanian Lamb almost wiping out the Shetland lamb market in fact last year the considered simply culling the lambs. For gods sake there is people starving in the world. The whole situation is being driven by lie after lie and the only industry Westminster is trying to save is the financial industry.

Jesus H Christ AS, it's like you have been brainwashed by some mysterious cult or you have some strange mental block.  Way against my better judgement I am going to try one more time:
I AM NOT AGAINST SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE.  If I could truly believe that an independent Scotland would be financially better off than it is today, and therefore bring extra benefits to the people of Scotland, I would be down at the voting booth putting my cross in the YES box - and so would every other Scot. The big stumbling block is even you have admitted that this cannot be guaranteed.
One example:  I think I remember that during the last campaign we were told that every Scot would be £700 a year better off, but on the eve of the referendum the man who had spent his entire political career getting to that point couldn't even tell us what currency we would be using.  How can you carry out financial forecasting without taking into account which currency would be involved?
My whole complaint is that the SNP have abandoned any hope of convincing people that we are heading for a land of milk and honey, and instead are attacking anyone and anything remotely connected to England and the Tories. (You do remember this started with your "Home Nations" complaint).  The National is just another example of this obsessive and monotonous drive to alienate Scots against the rest of the UK, in this instance forsaking any attempt at journalistic integrity.  (Can you honestly say the childish tweeting of a minor political figure in Ayrshire is more relevant than the tragic and mysterious death of a 6 year old girl?)
Please, please, please don't reply with "whataboutery".  I know the NO campaign produced more sh!te than a herd of cows with diarrhea.  I am a proud Scot and I want the best for Scotland - everybody else is getting independence doesn't necessarily mean being independent is the right move for us at the moment. 

Finally, a sensible, reasonable, articulate, well thought out and well presented post on the subject.  Maybe if I had said something similar at the start I would have saved myself a lot of hassle. 

I think you are being a bit harsh there Smarmy, although I do get the impression that the vast majority of Independence supporters would accept a reduction in the standard of living in Scotland if it meant we were "free".
It seems to me that everyone who actively campaigns for independence start from one of two positions:  either it is an idealistic view that we are a separate country and should be making our own decisions, or they hate the Tories and it is the only way to get rid of them.  It is only after they have made the decision that Scotland should be independent that they look for the evidence to prove that we will be better off (while dismissing any counter evidence as flawed, scaremongering, propaganda or irrelevant).
The problems start when they get so involved in their utopian view that anything and everything can and should be done to achieve their goal.
I want to hear a clear, balanced, sensible debate about the pros and cons of being independent, with both sides accepting relevant arguments from the opposition. (I accept that this will never happen).

Firstly, I would like to point out I am not a political geek.  I don't go looking for political information and I don't normally do debate, so you will have to forgive my simplistic point of view.
I am not against Independence, but it would be nice to know what we were voting for.  It appears to me that in the last few weeks (since that financial report thing came out) the SNP have abandoned their attempts to convince everyone that Scotland can be the greatest wee country in the world and launched a "look at what the nasty UK government is doing to us" campaign. This, I believe, is also what you were doing.  We are now not being convinced to vote FOR Independence but AGAINST the English/Tories/BBC/Queen/British Media/National Anthem and everything else Scots are supposed to hate.
This is exactly how we managed to get into the Brexit mess.  People weren't persuaded to vote FOR Brexit, (and didn't know what that meant) rather they were asked to vote AGAINST immigration, payments to Brussels, having our laws decided for us, etc.
Now to your question.  I recently said that if the SNP abandoned their push for an Independent Scotland, had a quick re-brand, lost their attitude and launched as a full UK party they could do very well.  They would take votes from both Labour and the Tories and it would be no bad thing.  I'm sure Nicola Sturgeon wants the best for everyone in Scotland, but even she admits she joined the SNP as a direct result of her hate for Maggie Thatcher.  It would be great to be Independent it if meant things were better for everyone in Scotland, but even the most progressive (I believe that's the current buzz-word) society can't look after it's vulnerable citizens if it doesn't have any money.  Even the "We can make our own decisions" argument doesn't stand up if other outside influences restrict our decision making.
So that is my final rant on the subject.  Bottom line is - if you want to promote Independence BE POSITIVE.
You can reply to this with TLDR.  I won't mind.   

I don't know if I am being whooshed here, or perhaps you have got me hook. line and sinker but, believe me, life really is too short for this sort of debate.  Please see the first and last sentence of my previous post. 
I want the Independence campaign to say: Scotland should be independent because .....................................................................
It shouldn't include "the BBC said something about the Home Nations" or "some Englishmen were called British".  If Scotland really is better off alone then let's hear the positives and all this other stuff will be irrelevant.  

This is the sort of rubbish that absolutely destroys the credibility of the Independence argument.  People see this and think "if this is the level of debate then I'm not interested".  Home Nations has been used as a term for the countries of the UK (and occasionally Ireland) in all sorts of sporting competitions for years - probably before the BBC came into existence. 
Your last sentence is ridiculous.  "Home Nations" refers to ALL the countries of the UK.  Belgium are playing England.  Ii would be like referring to a Saints v Aberdeen game as Tayside Clubs v Aberdeen.
Please try and find some legitimate grievances to support the Independence campaign.  

Firstly, I would like to point out I am not a political geek.  I don't go looking for political information and I don't normally do debate, so you will have to forgive my simplistic point of view.
I am not against Independence, but it would be nice to know what we were voting for.  It appears to me that in the last few weeks (since that financial report thing came out) the SNP have abandoned their attempts to convince everyone that Scotland can be the greatest wee country in the world and launched a "look at what the nasty UK government is doing to us" campaign. This, I believe, is also what you were doing.  We are now not being convinced to vote FOR Independence but AGAINST the English/Tories/BBC/Queen/British Media/National Anthem and everything else Scots are supposed to hate.
This is exactly how we managed to get into the Brexit mess.  People weren't persuaded to vote FOR Brexit, (and didn't know what that meant) rather they were asked to vote AGAINST immigration, payments to Brussels, having our laws decided for us, etc.
Now to your question.  I recently said that if the SNP abandoned their push for an Independent Scotland, had a quick re-brand, lost their attitude and launched as a full UK party they could do very well.  They would take votes from both Labour and the Tories and it would be no bad thing.  I'm sure Nicola Sturgeon wants the best for everyone in Scotland, but even she admits she joined the SNP as a direct result of her hate for Maggie Thatcher.  It would be great to be Independent it if meant things were better for everyone in Scotland, but even the most progressive (I believe that's the current buzz-word) society can't look after it's vulnerable citizens if it doesn't have any money.  Even the "We can make our own decisions" argument doesn't stand up if other outside influences restrict our decision making.
So that is my final rant on the subject.  Bottom line is - if you want to promote Independence BE POSITIVE.
You can reply to this with TLDR.  I won't mind.   

This is the sort of rubbish that absolutely destroys the credibility of the Independence argument.  People see this and think "if this is the level of debate then I'm not interested".  Home Nations has been used as a term for the countries of the UK (and occasionally Ireland) in all sorts of sporting competitions for years - probably before the BBC came into existence. 
Your last sentence is ridiculous.  "Home Nations" refers to ALL the countries of the UK.  Belgium are playing England.  Ii would be like referring to a Saints v Aberdeen game as Tayside Clubs v Aberdeen.
Please try and find some legitimate grievances to support the Independence campaign.  

This is the sort of rubbish that absolutely destroys the credibility of the Independence argument.  People see this and think "if this is the level of debate then I'm not interested".  Home Nations has been used as a term for the countries of the UK (and occasionally Ireland) in all sorts of sporting competitions for years - probably before the BBC came into existence. 
Your last sentence is ridiculous.  "Home Nations" refers to ALL the countries of the UK.  Belgium are playing England.  Ii would be like referring to a Saints v Aberdeen game as Tayside Clubs v Aberdeen.
Please try and find some legitimate grievances to support the Independence campaign.  

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You might be interested in this organization. http://sconeremembers.org.uk/  They are researching the details of the 71 men killed in WW1 and whose names appear on the Scone War Memorial.  They are currently concentrating on the 18 men who died at The Battle of the Somme.