blueheaven Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 - What can a goalkeeper be booked for that an outfield player can't? - Which team won the FA Cup and never scored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 - What can a goalkeeper be booked for that an outfield player can't? Handling the ball outside his area (the box). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Handling the ball outside his area (the box). An outfield player would be booked for that as well though! By the way, I'm a little suspicious about whether the answer I have for this question is actually accurate - so once I've revealed it I'd like to hear Chopsy's take on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 so once I've revealed it I'd like to hear Chopsy's take on it! Surely not - Tranmere Saintee and others would have a field day PM the answer and I will deliberate in the length of time Andy Gray gets to analyse that decision!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigCheese Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 An outfield player would be booked for that as well though! By the way, I'm a little suspicious about whether the answer I have for this question is actually accurate - so once I've revealed it I'd like to hear Chopsy's take on it! In that case I'll go for picking up a pass back (which I don't think is a bookable offence) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chansey Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 The goalkeeper cannot hold the ball for more than 6 seconds....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 The goalkeeper cannot hold the ball for more than 6 seconds....? Thank you ....thank you ....... thank you ....... and how many refs can count to 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 The goalkeeper cannot hold the ball for more than 6 seconds....? Yup, that is true actually - but it's not the answer I was looking for! I suppose I should add that I've just done a bit of extra research on the second question and it turns out the answer I have for it is incorrect. The answer I was looking for is The Royal Engineers, who according to urban myth won it in 1871 and the winning goal was scored by a guy called Willie Never. But the FA website says... Who won The FA Cup and never scored a goal?†should be understood as “Who won The FA Cup without scoring a goal?†The answer is Cardiff City – they beat Arsenal 1-0 to lift The Cup in 1927 and the only goal is sometimes given as an own goal by the Arsenal ‘keeper, Dan Lewis. If anyone suggests that a player called “Never†played in The Cup Final, they’re wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Madrid Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Thank you ....thank you ....... thank you ....... and how many refs can count to 6 Well chopper can, He gave a free kick against Gannochy 17's for this a few weeks back I was going to post an outfield player would not have the ball in his hand for 6 seconds but then remembered about throw in's . Perhaps chopper can confirm how long an outfield player could hold it at a shy Edited due to my Dyslexia, sorry Chopper for getting your name wrong twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Well chooper can, He gave a free kick against Gannochy 17's for this a few weeks back I was going to post an outfield player would not have the ball in his hand for 6 seconds but then remembered about throw in's . No, you're right - an outfield player can't hold the ball for 6 seconds (or any amount of seconds, for that matter). Throw-ins don't count, because the keeper could take a throw in too. Which means that answer actually doesn't count - still waiting for someone to come up with the one I have for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Coming off his line early during a penalty? edit - before the penalty taker has kicked the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Madrid Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 This came to me in the between Periods in Hockey tonight as they finished off the ice the keeper cannot mark the pitch in any way otherwise he should get booked Although I did a keeping course with Dave Westwater and that was one of the first things he said we should be getting our keepers to do. He said all pro keepers try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 the keeper cannot mark the pitch in any way otherwise he should get booked Wouldn't an outfield player get booked for doing that too, though? Say, if an outfield player was to take the goalkick and made a mark in the pitch first - wouldn't the same rule apply? To give a bit of a clue, the answer that I'm looking for (and I'm still not convinced it's true!), is something that has becoming increasingly fashionable for goalkeepers to do over the last few years - you see them doing it fairly regularly in games on TV, but I've never in my life heard of any keeper actually being booked for it! Outfield players do it practically as the norm, except during the winter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Madrid Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 wear short sleeves I think Bartez was one of the first to challenge this The keeper marking the pitch is more for position not for kicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 wear short sleeves Yup - that's it. Apparently a keeper can be booked for wearing short sleeves because the ref has to know who's handled the ball if there's a crowded box and a lot of arms go up at once. I'd imagine this maybe dates back to when before keepers wore gloves? On the marking the pitch thing - if a midfielder was to stand and deliberately kick bits out of the turf in the middle of a game, wouldn't he get booked for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
208saint Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Yup - that's it. Apparently a keeper can be booked for wearing short sleeves because the ref has to know who's handled the ball if there's a crowded box and a lot of arms go up at once. I'd imagine this maybe dates back to when before keepers wore gloves? On the marking the pitch thing - if a midfielder was to stand and deliberately kick bits out of the turf in the middle of a game, wouldn't he get booked for it? Doubtful as you often see players kicking divots in the turf for free kicks etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Yup - that's it. Apparently a keeper can be booked for wearing short sleeves because the ref has to know who's handled the ball if there's a crowded box and a lot of arms go up at once. I'd imagine this maybe dates back to when before keepers wore gloves? On the marking the pitch thing - if a midfielder was to stand and deliberately kick bits out of the turf in the middle of a game, wouldn't he get booked for it? If he did it at McDiarmid, he would get one of Chris Smith's long handled forks just where he wouldn't want it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintkev Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Doubtful as you often see players kicking divots in the turf for free kicks etc A guy once got booked against PSJ for doing exactly that! Bizarre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Must admit, I didn't know the short sleeve answer As for the others I shall direct to the Laws where applicable: Handling the ball outside his area (the box). Deliberate handball (something a lot of people need to grasp) is penalised by a direct free kick if outside the penalty area and a penalty kick if the offence is committed by an outfield player inside the area. There is no requirement for a player to be cautioned, FIFA have it as such: - Deliberately handling a ball - Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area. A caution or dismissal is not normally required - Cautions for unsporting behaviour by deliberately handling the ball - There are circumstances when, in addition to a free kick being awarded, a player must also be cautioned for unsporting behaviour e.g.when a player: deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession; attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball. In that case I'll go for picking up a pass back (which I don't think is a bookable offence) If the goalkeeper stops the ball from going into the goal by handling a pass back, as it can be classed as unsporting behaviour, but he cannot be ordered off as he has not denied an opponent a goalscoring opportunity, rather a team mate. The goalkeeper cannot hold the ball for more than 6 seconds....? Correct. Although no caution would be given for that - ask Real Madrid (I still don't know why everyone was confused when I gave that!!!). FIFA - Referees are reminded that goalkeepers are not permitted to keep possession of the ball in their hands for more than six seconds. A goalkeeper guilty of this offence is punished by an indirect free kick. Perhaps chooper can confirm how long an outfield player could hold it at a shy Don't know who chooper is but I will give it a shot There is no limit to how long a player can hold a ball at a throw-in, although if the referee feels he is deliberately delaying the restart of play (ie timewasting) then the player would be cautioned as such. The only rule for throw ins (with the exception of how to take a throw-in) is that an opposition player must be at least 2 yards from the ball - this is changed from last year to try and curb a number of incidents where players were being caught (whether deliberately or not) by the thrower's follow through. Coming off his line early during a penalty? Encroachment. Outfielders can be cautioned by moving into the penalty area during a penalty as well. the keeper cannot mark the pitch in any way otherwise he should get booked If the keeper is making marks with in the turf with his boot (ie making a slight indent in the pitch), then that is OK as long as it does not make that area of the pitch dangerous to any player (and with pitches at this time of year, I doubt it would make that much difference!!!). There can be no markings with anything such as a marker or a spot of line paint (obviously with the exception of the 6 yard box and penalty spot), but there is nothing formal in place for these instances. Boring post I know, but happy to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 If the keeper is making marks with in the turf with his boot (ie making a slight indent in the pitch), then that is OK as long as it does not make that area of the pitch dangerous to any player (and with pitches at this time of year, I doubt it would make that much difference!!!). There can be no markings with anything such as a marker or a spot of line paint (obviously with the exception of the 6 yard box and penalty spot), but there is nothing formal in place for these instances. Is it no longer an offence for the keeper to mark out his goal by dragging his boot along the ground and leaving lines to assist his positioning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Is it no longer an offence for the keeper to mark out his goal by dragging his boot along the ground and leaving lines to assist his positioning? There is nothing in the Laws (that I have seen) that would say that this is an offence, but there is a consideration as to whether any such markings would make that area of the park "dangerous", and, if so, it would need to be fixed before the match continued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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