That_Dave Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 If VAR is being used properly, then it would award the goal in that case. VAR isn't there to be a second referee, as the article suggests. They tried that in the EPL the last couple of seasons and it was a nightmare. VAR is there for seeing in the officials have made a clear and obvious error. The ex-ref says himself in the article that it's questionable but should be given. The fact it's questionable means if the ref gave a foul VAR would say foul, but if the ref said goal VAR would say goal. That's how it works in most countries and the Champions League, and why it works well. When EPL tried overturning very decision, however questionable, it was a nightmare. At the weekend, in the Arsenal Liverpool game on Sunday there was a handball with the defender having his arm slightly up. It probably was a penalty, but there was enough doubt to say that no penalty was an acceptable decision. So it wasn't given. In the Newcastle Brentford game, the same thing happened but the referee gave the penalty. VAR looked at it and there was enough doubt to say that a penalty was an acceptable decision. So it was given. In both cases, VAR went with the on-field decision as it wasn't clearly wrong but an acceptable decision either way.. I'd say that shirt pull is in the same position. It's down to whether the defender would have headed the ball without the pull. That's questionable enough for VAR to rule that the referee's decision was fair. If the ref had given the pull though, VAR wouldn't have overruled that either. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) That all sounds too sensible, I imagine its likely you're going to have a stadium full of angry supporters and managers swaying the decisions of what gets looked at. Edited October 11, 2022 by Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, That_Dave said: If VAR is being used properly, then it would award the goal in that case. VAR isn't there to be a second referee, as the article suggests. They tried that in the EPL the last couple of seasons and it was a nightmare. VAR is there for seeing in the officials have made a clear and obvious error. The ex-ref says himself in the article that it's questionable but should be given. The fact it's questionable means if the ref gave a foul VAR would say foul, but if the ref said goal VAR would say goal. That's how it works in most countries and the Champions League, and why it works well. When EPL tried overturning very decision, however questionable, it was a nightmare. May I point you in the direction of the first half of the Man City game or the penalty award in the Chelsea game last night… Not a fan of it, especially when there are so many moments like these. Feel they spend far more time talking about VAR than they ever did referee’s mistakes Edited October 12, 2022 by PSJ.84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 I'm a fan of VAR. The prospect of it ****ing with the OF even just slightly fills my heart with joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, rik2304 said: I'm a fan of VAR. The prospect of it ****ing with the OF even just slightly fills my heart with joy. Unfortunately we will still have OF bias so nothing will change. Some of the VAR decisions are bizarre and that with presumably European neutral refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, Cagey said: Unfortunately we will still have OF bias so nothing will change. Some of the VAR decisions are bizarre and that with presumably European neutral refs. Ah...but some of the decisions the OF get are so ridiculous it'll be impossible to ignore. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 Quite confident there will be even less goals against the OF when this is in place but we don't really think of getting points from those games anyway so won't have that much of an impact on Saints. My hope is that its used for clear and obvious stuff like the Aberdeen goal last season when the ball was clearly brought under control with a hand. Hopefully the right decisions get made in games where there's not much in them but one team walks away with 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, Rob said: Quite confident there will be even less goals against the OF when this is in place but we don't really think of getting points from those games anyway so won't have that much of an impact on Saints. My hope is that its used for clear and obvious stuff like the Aberdeen goal last season when the ball was clearly brought under control with a hand. Hopefully the right decisions get made in games where there's not much in them but one team walks away with 3 points. What about this season when the wee Irishman dived and the Liverpool loanee took the kick 5 yards towards goal. Or Muzz sending off v Hibs which should have been a yellow if the well known cheap hadn't done a triple salco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 What are the chances of them briefing fans on when or how it is used? Be amazed if they have told the clubs and players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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