chopper Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Can the referee impose a delayed kick-off? Firstly, don't put yourself down - I never said you were ill-educated or of low intellect, just that you don't seem to think as to the ins and outs of a decision before spouting copious amounts of "tabloid-style" tittle-tattle on the forum. Anyway, my last point on this as, like Ray Blair and many others I am getting fed up of this thread! The referee cannot force a change in kick off time. The kick off time is set by the authorities in charge of the match (in this case the SFL) and can only be delayed by the referee in certain instances, generally being an issue with one club not having turned up (which would generally be because of a delay), an issue with the stadium, such as floodlight failure, or if the issue relates to a public safety matter (such as large crowds outside trying to get in and the police raise a concern that if kick off is on time then there could be public order offences) and the like. An issue such as the weather is generally not to be taken into account, though if it was a freak condition, such as lightning, then it may be feasilble for the match to be suspended for a short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Who was the ref that inspected the pitch ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 A couple of things to point out here: The field at Dunfermline was part of a UEFA pilot project and of the 7/8 installed, Dunfermline was the only one to use a non infill tile system. Normally artificial turf fields are laid out in 4 metre widths across the whole pitch and infilled with rubber crumb to help make the surface more comfortable underfoot - but Dunfermline was in 2x2 m tiles with no rubber infill. The technology in artificial turf has improved tenfold in only the last 4 or 5 years to which extent it is now quite common in European football. Sweden, Norway and Russia use these pitches all the time (certainly helps with their low temperature) but there is also a team in the Dutch Premier league (Almelo) who use an artificial pitch and it gets great reviews. Yes, the original fields at Luton and Preston were horrible and the UK only remembers the bad ones. Dunfermline was another example but was not a typical artificial pitch. There are many advantages of having one - not least the financial gains from hiring the pitch, but also increased training time and no call - offs from frozen pitches. They can be played/trained on for 80 or 90 hours a week compared to only around 20 for a natural grass pitch. The technology in them has advanced and they're certainly worth considering. Yes I accept your points about the benefits of artificial pitches and I think one day in the future they will be common place. I was just hinting that the SPL are not too keen on them and I think both Dunfermline and Hamilton have had to get rid of them on entry to that league. They will definitely improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 did hamilton have to get rid of it? or did they just replace it with a grass pitch because they had to get under soil heating put in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 did hamilton have to get rid of it? or did they just replace it with a grass pitch because they had to get under soil heating put in? They had to get shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 did hamilton have to get rid of it? or did they just replace it with a grass pitch because they had to get under soil heating put in? The SPL don't allow matches to be played on artificial surfaces. Strange form UEFA aswell in that they allow teams to play on it in the champions league but they then ask for it to be ripped up for the final. There still seems to be a lot of injuries getting blamed in astro, until that is all cleared up the big teams are not going to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee john Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Biggest losers are the club. Massive financial hit taken today with lost revenue and needless costs. We're here to support the club, not vice versa. DID YOU WRITE THIS 101 OR DID SOMEONE STEAL YOUR IDENTITY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee john Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I think you make a very valuable point. I was in work until 1400 and almost erupted with rage when I saw the puddles. Saints have made a mistake, DO YOU FORGET SOMETIMES? I AM A DOCTOR, I CAN HELP YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 DO YOU FORGET SOMETIMES? I AM A DOCTOR, I CAN HELP YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT? Its not a doctor that's required John. It's The Doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Saint Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 DO YOU FORGET SOMETIMES? I AM A DOCTOR, I CAN HELP YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT? What point are you trying make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 i was wondering do you think ricky would know how to spell ? i doubt it! and he canny play football or fight either!!:wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Does capitals mean you are angry John. GB states we lost 6 k on hospitality etc so it looks even more like someone cocked up.Add that to the difference in the crowds on a tuesday then it looks like a bad decision not to switch heating on when 0c forecast. the statement i read said £6,000 for hospitality, stewards,police ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gparsfan Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Btw Dunfermline had 2 artificial pitches, one was a sand one the other was a rubber one(like the one mentioned earlier in the thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 The SPL don't allow matches to be played on artificial surfaces. That's not actually true. There is no mandate from the SPL to disallow clubs to play on artificial pitches. Providing they adhere to an industry standard which is set by FIFA, clubs can play on synthetic pitches. Hamilton had to remove theirs to install undersoil heating and were unable to relay their synthetic pitch so installed a natural pitch instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 That's not actually true. There is no mandate from the SPL to disallow clubs to play on artificial pitches. Providing they adhere to an industry standard which is set by FIFA, clubs can play on synthetic pitches. Hamilton had to remove theirs to install undersoil heating and were unable to relay their synthetic pitch so installed a natural pitch instead. Strictly speaking there is a glimmer of a chance to use artificail surfaces but the SPL state: Synthetic and Artificial Pitches Rule B23.1 contains a prohibition on League matches being played on a synthetic or artificial playing surface unless certain conditions are met. In order to be used in a League match a synthetic or artificial playing surface must be designed and constructed to the relevant FIFA standard and it must be demonstrated to the Board that the pitch in question meets and continues to meet the relevant FIFA quality and performance criteria. That standard and the relevant quality and performance criteria is, at present, the “FIFA two star standard”. In addition the Board must approve the use of such a synthetic or artificial playing surface in League Matches. Any such application for approval must be submitted to me by not later than 31st March immediately preceding a Season in which a Club or Candidate Club proposes to use a synthetic or artificial playing surface in League matches. There is no procedure by which the Board can consider applications for approval received after 31st March in any year where the approval is sought for the immediately succeeding Season. The chances of the board accepting a surface by a big enough majority is from what they say virtually nil. Also interesting why do you need undersoil heating on an astroturf park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennistoun Saint Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 11 pages of this pish? Nobody's fault. Dry your eyes and look forward to the next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilated Pupil Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Strictly speaking there is a glimmer of a chance to use artificail surfaces but the SPL state: Synthetic and Artificial Pitches Rule B23.1 contains a prohibition on League matches being played on a synthetic or artificial playing surface unless certain conditions are met. In order to be used in a League match a synthetic or artificial playing surface must be designed and constructed to the relevant FIFA standard and it must be demonstrated to the Board that the pitch in question meets and continues to meet the relevant FIFA quality and performance criteria. That standard and the relevant quality and performance criteria is, at present, the “FIFA two star standard”. In addition the Board must approve the use of such a synthetic or artificial playing surface in League Matches. Any such application for approval must be submitted to me by not later than 31st March immediately preceding a Season in which a Club or Candidate Club proposes to use a synthetic or artificial playing surface in League matches. There is no procedure by which the Board can consider applications for approval received after 31st March in any year where the approval is sought for the immediately succeeding Season. The chances of the board accepting a surface by a big enough majority is from what they say virtually nil. Also interesting why do you need undersoil heating on an astroturf park? That is one hell of a sexy post/ thread. I feel confident Saint's fans are knowledge-worthy to talk about artificial implants whether they be in Scandinavia, Scotland, or Andy Goram's boobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Strictly speaking there is a glimmer of a chance to use artificail surfaces but the SPL state: Synthetic and Artificial Pitches Rule B23.1 contains a prohibition on League matches being played on a synthetic or artificial playing surface unless certain conditions are met. In order to be used in a League match a synthetic or artificial playing surface must be designed and constructed to the relevant FIFA standard and it must be demonstrated to the Board that the pitch in question meets and continues to meet the relevant FIFA quality and performance criteria. That standard and the relevant quality and performance criteria is, at present, the “FIFA two star standard”. In addition the Board must approve the use of such a synthetic or artificial playing surface in League Matches. Any such application for approval must be submitted to me by not later than 31st March immediately preceding a Season in which a Club or Candidate Club proposes to use a synthetic or artificial playing surface in League matches. There is no procedure by which the Board can consider applications for approval received after 31st March in any year where the approval is sought for the immediately succeeding Season. The chances of the board accepting a surface by a big enough majority is from what they say virtually nil. Also interesting why do you need undersoil heating on an astroturf park? Like I said... as long as it meets FIFA approval.. Jeez... !!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 it is a requirement you have under soil heating for the spl regardless of the pitch type im sure hamilton objected because they had an artificial pitch with no need for ush but the spl said they must have ush regardless which is pathetic of the spl to demand this when it isnt needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I seen no-one had posted here today so thought i would.Na na na na,na na na na,hey yeah,perth st.johnstone:laugh:¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Saint Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 The Courier on USH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 101 you always have to spoil things:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hope we are a few more points ahead of the pars before this game gets played although that sounds like im running scared.I cant see them beating us and a draw would of been a no bad result on sat looking at the way the results went for us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Who was the ref that inspected the pitch ?. 'twas the match referee for the game who checked the pitch and immediately declared it unplayable as it was severely frostbound at 12.30pm and there was little chance of sufficient improvement before 3pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noose76 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I was upset to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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