Davey Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Fair enough, i still think its shocking that people who are innocent of anything will plead guilty as it's less hassle. Bit of an eyeopener. So if you were at say edinburgh for a day out with mates an a crowd of "casuals" stareted being abusive, throwing bottles etc... the polis came along an lifted you an your ten mates, it goes to court! so the solicetor fees are say 100 quid(not sure how much this would be never needed a solicitor) train fare to edinburgh 10er, some lunch 5er day off work say 65 quid, for the court to turn round an say its been adjourned this happens 3 times thers bout 500 pound before you even see the court room then you get some daft fine like 300! 800 quid in total OR they send you a letter to say if you pay the 50 pound fine it'll all be forgooten about! i know what i'd do an did! P.s if that didnt make sense to any of you, i knew what i meant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saintkev Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hmm, plead guilty for a crime you did not commit, then get a criminal record hanging round your neck for the rest of your life so that when you apply for a job you have to declare it or if someone does a Criminal Records Office check on you it shows up. Obviously the smartest thing to be doing - NOT!! Most jobs would accept a person on a petty crime such as being involved in a scuffle... stop acting so high and mighty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Most jobs would accept a person on a petty crime such as being involved in a scuffle... stop acting so high and mighty! Kev slightly off track here but would Perth and kinross Council accept it okay or would you face an internal inquiry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Most jobs would accept a person on a petty crime such as being involved in a scuffle... stop acting so high and mighty! Nothing high and mighty about me Kev! Been involved in too many discipline cases and also job refusals involving just this type of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spew Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Would an on the spot fine, that Davey said be forgotten about, actually give you a criminal record? I know plenty folk and have had £50 fines for daft things before and don't have a criminal record. Just seems like an easy way for the polis to get some money out of folk with the minimum of paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo69 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Would an on the spot fine, that Davey said be forgotten about, actually give you a criminal record? I know plenty folk and have had £50 fines for daft things before and don't have a criminal record. Just seems like an easy way for the polis to get some money out of folk with the minimum of paperwork. To an extent this is true. It depends on the job. If the job requires a full disclosure then the fine will indeed show up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Would an on the spot fine, that Davey said be forgotten about, actually give you a criminal record? I know plenty folk and have had £50 fines for daft things before and don't have a criminal record. Just seems like an easy way for the polis to get some money out of folk with the minimum of paperwork. had a few of them for daft things(infact pretty sure i paid for the perth pokis's xmas night out) also been told that it wouldnt appear on my record!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Personally I'm glad Saints are taking this stance against casuals. People who go to football games for reasons other than football should be eliminated from the game. Spontaneous incidents at and around the stadium are unavoidable within limits. There will be the occasional error in intelligence reports but they have to be taken on and the police have to do something. Personal responsibility is the key. It's generally been primarily an English problem for the last 30 years with potential from other daft copy cat nations. Are the Scots just copy cat English people? The World Cup and European Championships are now turning into a farce when they should obviously be massive parties and festivals of football. I would rather have a club that has fans with great banter and who get on with the locals and the emphasis is on the beautiful game. This team's fans had a great reputation and took 1200 to Monte Carlo with great admiration and respect from the poverty stricken locals including a certain Mr Prso who based his change of job on this fine bunch of people - http://www.openmindsuk.com/Build%20Up%20Part%203%20340.wmv p.s. the moaning and groaning is to do with intimacy and not what we've been listening to in the last few weeks. This team's fans are known as scum, sadly for those of them who are decent - http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/bb_rm_fs.stm?news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5348366 The English disease as it's known unfortunately causes the police to arrest some innocents but they have to act as we seen in Germany where they tried to take the softly-softly approach for a period. Many of these fans' mummies and daddies and social workers will attempt blame transference on all occasions e.g. the X country's/town's police - no individual responsibilty. One way to resolve the problem is adopt one of the many great legacies which the Roman Empire gacv us. That is that 20 guys from each area pre-match get suited up to take each other on in a combat situation in a fight to the death as a weekly event in an enclosed area e.g. Dundee vs. Perth or Motherwell vs. East Glasgow etc. This will allow casuals the chance to do what they want legally and instead of being known as the negative boy neds pampered by parents and social workers they will be known as gladiators and will either rise to greatness (1%) or die (99%). This will save on police costs, social worker costs, solicitor costs and court fees and allow those who want to enjoy life do so in a decent environment. We know fines and court appearances don't work and this new sport will please all in society. Ideal. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Personally I'm glad Saints are taking this stance against casuals. People who go to football games for reasons other than football should be eliminated from the game. Spontaneous incidents at and around the stadium are unavoidable within limits. There will be the occasional error in intelligence reports but they have to be taken on and the police have to do something. Personal responsibility is the key. It's generally been primarily an English problem for the last 30 years with potential from other daft copy cat nations. Are the Scots just copy cat English people? The World Cup and European Championships are now turning into a farce when they should obviously be massive parties and festivals of football. I would rather have a club that has fans with great banter and who get on with the locals and the emphasis is on the beautiful game. This team's fans had a great reputation and took 1200 to Monte Carlo with great admiration and respect from the poverty stricken locals including a certain Mr Prso who based his change of job on this fine bunch of people - http://www.openmindsuk.com/Build%20Up%20Part%203%20340.wmv p.s. the moaning and groaning is to do with intimacy and not what we've been listening to in the last few weeks. This team's fans are known as scum, sadly for those of them who are decent - http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/bb_rm_fs.stm?news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5348366 The English disease as it's known unfortunately causes the police to arrest some innocents but they have to act as we seen in Germany where they tried to take the softly-softly approach for a period. Many of these fans' mummies and daddies and social workers will attempt blame transference on all occasions e.g. the X country's/town's police - no individual responsibilty. One way to resolve the problem is adopt one of the many great legacies which the Roman Empire gacv us. That is that 20 guys from each area pre-match get suited up to take each other on in a combat situation in a fight to the death as a weekly event in an enclosed area e.g. Dundee vs. Perth or Motherwell vs. East Glasgow etc. This will allow casuals the chance to do what they want legally and instead of being known as the negative boy neds pampered by parents and social workers they will be known as gladiators and will either rise to greatness (1%) or die (99%). This will save on police costs, social worker costs, solicitor costs and court fees and allow those who want to enjoy life do so in a decent environment. We know fines and court appearances don't work and this new sport will please all in society. Ideal. 8) AN IT GOES ON, AN ON, AN ON, AN ON, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips for tea Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 One way to resolve the problem is adopt one of the many great legacies which the Roman Empire gacv us. That is that 20 guys from each area pre-match get suited up to take each other on in a combat situation in a fight to the death as a weekly event in an enclosed area e.g. Dundee vs. Perth or Motherwell vs. East Glasgow etc. This will allow casuals the chance to do what they want legally and instead of being known as the negative boy neds pampered by parents and social workers they will be known as gladiators and will either rise to greatness (1%) or die (99%). This will save on police costs, social worker costs, solicitor costs and court fees and allow those who want to enjoy life do so in a decent environment. We know fines and court appearances don't work and this new sport will please all in society. Ideal. 8) But surely there has to be a fight off so we can put in our best top twenty lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthsaint1884 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 But surely there has to be a fight off so we can put in our best top twenty lads Let Mr Duff and Mr Brown join in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips for tea Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I'll hold the coats 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUZZ Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 well, who's gonna organize this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthsaint1884 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 My house, 10am, Saturday. Bring your own beer, I'll supply body bags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUZZ Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 My house, 10am, Saturday. Bring your own beer, I'll supply body bags sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Wait a minute folks it's my idea to benefit the world and save social worker costs and lawyer costs - they are parasites. Now don't worry those that don't survive theirgladiator professional insurance will cover funeral expenses. Also there will need to be an emperor for the day, a special privilege which will have hospitality. This is an important role since if there is one gladiator left then he or she can put their thumb up (save his life) or down (end his life by bringing on the lions). This is going to make big money. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Sorry I forgot about the lions. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintkev Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Kev slightly off track here but would Perth and kinross Council accept it okay or would you face an internal inquiry? It would depend entirely on the job and the crime... most jobs I have been involved in recruiting do not require a Police Check. Those driving for the council collecting kids, elderly and vulnerable adults did, and questions would be asked depending on driving offences and they would not get near the job if they had any kiddie fiddling or anything like that. Our best driver had breach of the peace from his younger days, scrapping in town... people learn by mistakes or get caught up in something they wouldn't usually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 CCTV video footage at the front of the Keg bar. they could have picked a nicer place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brora saintee Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Just reading this what a heap of shite,I was there we walked from one pub and went round to keg a few bottles were thrown at us that was it then we were lifted not one hearts fan was,also I was fined 400 pound in Inverness for acting aggressive where they got that from I don't know plus there was nothing planned and there wasn't one scuffle I was actually sitting with hearts boys on train back to Perth then got moved by police as I bought all the drink from the trolley and gave them a drink I suppose that was out of order too,police talk a lot of shite as people know yet when I celebrate a goal v **** at mcd by jumping onto sideline I get life ban and accused of being trouble maker Jesus I would hate to think what would happen if I was armed with tomato sauce bottles Dave Ferg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brora saintee Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I also plead guilty as I wasn't paying a few grand for a solicitor just to tell me to plead guilty as your on cctv then on top of that get a fine,I just remembered I did point at someone so that's probably looked upon as wanting to fight what I was actually pointing at was his hood as I was wanting him to put it on as it was raining wheelie bins for a bit aye weather is nuts up here,so that's all I have to say on this matter totally blown out of proportion and nothing happened atal apart from us being detained for whole game Escorted back to Perth by arsehole cops watching every move never mind I did confuse the cunts when I said I was from Brora Dave Ferg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 A blast from the past! Do you know Shergar is missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ferg Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 Time that ban was looked at again? Over 10 years, surely done your time. HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy rhodes fancy watch Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 Love the keg. Proper pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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