Topfitter Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Given he is being used so little, will Wullie Gibson's loan be allowed to run out or be extended ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Personally,i'd keep you Wullie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I suspect not, because I think reducing the wage bill is high on the priority list. Lomas has already shown he can give the team width without a 'winger', and didn't see reason to have Wullie on the bench for the Rangers game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Why would reducing the wage bill be a priority, there was a clear plan at the start of the season and I doubt very much if we've gone over. So I think thats a load of crap I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I think 'a load of crap' is a trifle harsh. It is my opinion, if I'm wrong I'll be delighted to hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Del will have agreed a team budget with the board at the start of the season (more likely the end of last season actually). I would be amazed if part of the interview process for a new boss wasn't 'this is our budget, do you think you can bring success for less?' It is my opinion that Lomas sees the budget far better aimed at securing Moon, keeping Muzz and the rest of the team, and I have a hunch he will try to keep Sandaza too (be amazed if he does mind you). I also suspect that Del signing Haber, Sandaza and Cillian and Gibson on loan was caveated with assuming the loss of Muzz and a cash boost from the sale. Just my opinion, but i believe logical, and not a 'load of crap'. I also suspect that Cillian will go in January for the same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Nope, if the budget wasn't there Del wouldn't have signed Sandaza up right at the death. The budget wont change just because its a new manager, it will remain the same, albeit I think that it is being used to its full extent. There is no need to trim it, unless Lomas wants innew players. If Sheridan and Gobson both go, he will be allowed another 2 players on same wages or whatever. If they stay and nobody else goes then we wont get anyone else it. Its rather simple actually. We are working on a one in one out policy atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I would still suggest that not selling murray, which Lomas has aluded to by saying he is worth a million or get stuffed, would equate to the money that losing Sheridan and Gibson will free up. That is effectively what I am saying. I kind of accept that reducing the budget may not be on the right track, but I do suspect that the budget included the sale of Muzz - so reducing the wage bill to compensate for not getting a transfer fee is my point rather than reducing the overall budget (and pretty much exactly what I said in all my previous posts). Edited November 24, 2011 by montrosesaintee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) .... Edited November 24, 2011 by ryangordon86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 You're wrong widge, I can't be bothered looking it up but it was definitely quoted somewhere that at least Gibson was a signing over the budget and I'm pretty sure that Muzz moving on was widely expected. We made a pretty large loss last year and will have higher expenses this year. Unless we qualify for Europe we will have to cut the wage bill. You're not going to start using your horrible p&b posting style on WAP now are you? It's pretty cringeworthy seeing the way you speak to fans of other teams, never mind fans of your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 It's public knowledge that it would be desirable for SLomas to trim our squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Our previous Gaffer admitted he'd brought in too many players, he tried to get Sandaza last year but it didn't happen. He thought he had no chance this year but was surprised when fran became available...he'd already 'done' all his shopping but the Chairman gave him the ok to sign Fran. When Slomas came on board he was quoted saying he knew he probably needed to trim the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 If thats the case then I apologise, but unless it is proved in January, I wont admit I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylag Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 No denying that cutting the wage bill is a priority. Having ditched almost all the strikers at the end of last season, Del was in the position that as close season progressed he might end up with no fit strikers at all. So he brought in a few early doors while negotiating with Haber. Suddenly - just as it seemed all was done SoS both became available. My feeling is that having hedged his bets early doors he was suddenly left with one or two strikers more than he had intended. Suspect some will move on - but obviously that might be dependent on what happens in January - it might not be those that the manager wants to move on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Think Sheridan will away in Jan, he did say that was his aim. Also think Fran will be away in Jan...perhaps Del would want to try to take him to Bristol but then again he does seem to already have good strikers there. If Muzz does go then lets hope that we do get the big bucks for him & I like Lomas basically telling everyone that he is not gong to be let go cheaply. At last the Bigot Bros are waking up & smelling the coffee & realising that they can't just expect us to roll over & die & let them take our best boys on the cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingaporeSaint Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Would be interested to know how much we are paying Sheridan. Presume it isn't his Sofia full contract amount ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Would be interested to know how much we are paying Sheridan. Presume it isn't his Sofia full contract amount ? It's a pretty insignificant fraction of his overall salary. Sheridan has taken a considerable pay cut to be here. 1884 has it about correct - we didn't expect to get all three of Haber, Sandaza and Sheridan. Once we had all free, I believe the budget was more or less done, and we got Gibson after this. I think we'll see the loan players going back (although I'd imagine we'll try and retain Sheridan) and a couple of the fringe players will leave (Gartland, possibly Adams and Finnigan/Parkin/Higgins/Haber would by my bets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylag Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 It's a pretty insignificant fraction of his overall salary. Sheridan has taken a considerable pay cut to be here. 1884 has it about correct - we didn't expect to get all three of Haber, Sandaza and Sheridan. Once we had all free, I believe the budget was more or less done, and we got Gibson after this. I think we'll see the loan players going back (although I'd imagine we'll try and retain Sheridan) and a couple of the fringe players will leave (Gartland, possibly Adams and Finnigan/Parkin/Higgins/Haber would by my bets).[/QUOTE] I'd bet money on at least Finnigan staying. He's looked the part every time he's had an opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Sorry, I meant one of those 4 rather than all 4. Finnigan's a dab hand at getting booked, but he's looked ok to me too. Not sure he'll ever be a 15 or even a 10 goal a season man, but he's good at unsettling the opposition defence and decent enough in the air too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I agree about the booking thing, but you so often find that substitutes take 10-15 minutes to get into the game. I feel that all his bookings have been as a result of trying too hard to get 'up to speed' when he comes on, and this is actually a positive attribute. I reckon if he was on the park from the start you wouldn't see that element of his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I agree, some of them have been down to over exhuberance, but he also comes across as being quite a petulant player. I'd wager that he'll pick up as many bookings for dissent and kicking the ball away as he does for fouls. I quite like him as a player though, and I'm fairly sure that cutting that out of him would be the detriment of his overall game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Nope, if the budget wasn't there Del wouldn't have signed Sandaza up right at the death. The budget wont change just because its a new manager, it will remain the same, albeit I think that it is being used to its full extent. There is no need to trim it, unless Lomas wants innew players. If Sheridan and Gobson both go, he will be allowed another 2 players on same wages or whatever. If they stay and nobody else goes then we wont get anyone else it. Its rather simple actually. We are working on a one in one out policy atm. Good insider knowledge widge, thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Would be interested to know how much we are paying Sheridan. Presume it isn't his Sofia full contract amount ? We won a bidding contest with hibs, so it won't be peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 We won a bidding contest with hibs, so it won't be peanuts. Hibs beat us, but Cillian wrote off some of his own wage to make up the difference so he could come to us. He was really keen on coming back to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Sammy Johnston Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Hibs beat us, but Cillian wrote off some of his own wage to make up the difference so he could come to us. He was really keen on coming back to us. Not True! Cillian was wanting to sign for Hibs as they were offering him a two or three year deal. His club refused and we offered a loan deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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