SingaporeSaint Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think that there should be a minimum IQ standard for people allowed to vote in the referendum for or against Independence. That would stop a lot of the neds, fanny bawz and numpties for being unable to make a decision on something as important as this that affects MY country. Might even exclude a few heedthebaws on here john1962 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 wee Eck can go chew the pea nuts in ma shoite other thing the day her majestys gouverment wants you (wether you are a land owner or not you) they will use you (wether you like it or not) many countries allow their nationals to vote from over seas (many who do not own property) Algeria does (a country that fought imperialism and gained their independance (many were living in France at the time and fought the struggle in France many Algerians pro French fought their own (they are called " harkis ", wich in arab means "traitor", wich they were/are most were tortured and executed for their treason harkis and **** only difference is the accent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 no elections i say i here by declare Scotland independant voilà c'est done vous etes free/libre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think that there should be a minimum IQ standard for people allowed to vote in the referendum for or against Independence. That would stop a lot of the neds, fanny bawz and numpties for being unable to make a decision on something as important as this that affects MY country. Might even exclude a few heedthebaws on here to tick a box with. (one out of two.aye or non) an X is not too hard unless your intention is of making an elitist state if that is the case i am your enemmy and i take no prisoners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think that there should be a minimum IQ standard for people allowed to vote in the referendum for or against Independence. That would stop a lot of the neds, fanny bawz and numpties for being unable to make a decision on something as important as this that affects MY country. Might even exclude a few heedthebaws on here 129 is mine,yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think that there should be a minimum IQ standard for people allowed to vote in the referendum for or against Independence. That would stop a lot of the neds, fanny bawz and numpties for being unable to make a decision on something as important as this that affects MY country. Might even exclude a few heedthebaws on here MMMMMM Wonder which way you would vote if you could SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryhallsdanceband Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think that there should be a minimum IQ standard for people allowed to vote in the referendum for or against Independence. That would stop a lot of the neds, fanny bawz and numpties for being unable to make a decision on something as important as this that affects MY country. Might even exclude a few heedthebaws on here Ah SS - you live abroad - you've abandoned the homeland - you are not deserving or worthy of a vote - Scotland is no longer your country - some might say - I beg to differ with that point of view. Wait until Wee Eck discovers with 6 months to go that a NO vote is heading his way - then see him open up the vote to the Scots Diaspora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pringles Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I agree with HHDb that morally there should be an opportunity for expatriate Scots to vote in the referendum; whichever way they choose to exercise that vote is up to them.I hope you do get the opportunity to vote as you've clearly given it some thought..................unlike the aptly named SS who is unable to resist xenophobic racism with each post. Interestingly Hitler had the same views about IQ .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john.w Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) I am proud as hell off my Scottish Heritage the fact I left to pursue my life in another country 46 yeays ago I think disqualifies me from having a vote. What right do I have to take part in a process that affects peoples lives that live in Scotland permanantly while I visit for 2 or 3 weeks every few years. As for the nationalities previously mentioned in the forum that have made Scotland their home well a decision would have to be made to have them apply for citizenship before they can vote. I am a Canadian citizen which allows me the priviliges afforded to all Canadians i:e the right to vote etc so I think that is a decision that these nationalities have to make if they want to take part in the vote. By the way my avatar is a picture off my son and I at the Governor General's residence in Ottawa where he received a community caring award one off the proudest days off my life and proud to be a citizen of my adopted country. So I hope that individuals who chose Scotland as their home would feel the same. Edited October 19, 2012 by john.w blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryhallsdanceband Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Not all 'ex-pat' Scots will want to vote; some probably couldn't really care; some might think it wrong for them to vote. So they don't vote - that is their prerogative. I care and I want to vote. It is not difficult. I apply for a vote and my birthplace is confirmed against the Registry of Births and Deaths. I get a postal or on-line vote. Scots who have moved from Scotland quite obviously will see Scotland from a different perspective to those who live in Scotland. But that is just a different perspective on the same issues, wishes, concerns and aspirations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Québec libre now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 so, if the vote is no....what do we win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryhallsdanceband Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I am proud as hell off my Scottish Heritage the fact I left to pursue my life in another country 46 yeays ago I think disqualifies me from having a vote. What right do I have to take part in a process that affects peoples lives that live in Scotland permanantly while I visit for 2 or 3 weeks every few years. And indeed that is your decision. Maybe your existing/remaining links with Scotland are more tenuous than mine; and as you say you have taken Canadian citizenship - and part of that will have had you pledging allegiance in some way to Canada as your new home. I can see how you might feel a bit of a 'fraud' having done so - to then expect to have a vote in the future of Scotland. But we are not all in the same position. My links with Scotland remain stronger than any link I have with England (other than my wife being English and my kids being Scots/English). I think that those of us away from Scotland - perhaps temporarily - perhaps permanently - should not be denied the right to have a say in the future of our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 we would save money pulling out of europe? nato? common wealth? united nations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john.w Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) And indeed that is your decision. Maybe your existing/remaining links with Scotland are more tenuous than mine; and as you say you have taken Canadian citizenship - and part of that will have had you pledging allegiance in some way to Canada as your new home. I can see how you might feel a bit of a 'fraud' having done so - to then expect to have a vote in the future of Scotland. But we are not all in the same position. My links with Scotland remain stronger than any link I have with England (other than my wife being English and my kids being Scots/English). I think that those of us away from Scotland - perhaps temporarily - perhaps permanently - should not be denied the right to have a say in the future of our country. The pledging allegiance thing is an American requirement, if I wanted I could still retain my British passport and my kids could actually apply for a British passport but the USA require you only have one passport. It is not a case off feeling fraudulant as you put it but a case off how I personally think Edited October 19, 2012 by john.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryhallsdanceband Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 The pledging allegiance thing is an American requirement, if I wanted I could still retain my British passport and my kids could actually apply for a British passport but the USA require you only have one passport. It is not a case off feeling fraudulant as you put it but a case off how I personally think Quite - I agree. And I think I should have the right to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Quite - I agree. And I think I should have the right to vote. So what would you say is a fair criteria for who gets to vote? Just people born in Scotland? Or everyone resident in Scotland or born in Scotland? What about people who were born in Scotland but moved away when they were very young and have never been back since - is it really appropriate that they get a say in the decision? And many people would argue that you're Scottish if your parents are from Scotland - so should those people get to vote too? I suppose what I'm saying is... can Rod Stewart vote or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubands House Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 http://www.yesscotland.net/declaration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I will be raging if someone living in middle England by choice gets the vote to keep us under a Condemnation government. I reallly dont see why someone who is contributing very little to Scotland should get to decide our government then be able to escape the consequences of their vote. If Scotland decides to stay part of the Union then I will have no problem accepting it but I wouldnt expect to get a vote on any English issues because my mother was born there and I take long weekends south of the border. HOODLUM65 and blueheaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I will be raging if someone living in middle England by choice gets the vote to keep us under a Condemnation government. I reallly dont see why someone who is contributing very little to Scotland should get to decide our government then be able to escape the consequences of their vote. If Scotland decides to stay part of the Union then I will have no problem accepting it but I wouldnt expect to get a vote on any English issues because my mother was born there and I take long weekends south of the border. Agree and I would hope the SNP does not use any high profile Scottish former residents to promote their arguement for seperation. Stay in Bermuda Mr Connery!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Agree and I would hope the SNP does not use any high profile Scottish former residents to promote their arguement for seperation. Stay in Bermuda Mr Connery!!! Absolutely agree. Neither side should be able to draw on those living permanently outside Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 who will no vote or should not be allowed to vote: Jehovah witnesses and other objecteurs, prisoners of certain catergories,european citizens and non europeans (its allowed by the treaty of Copenague...where a country can exclued other europeans in participating in internal matters that leads to a change of constitution (a referendums purpose who can or should vote,any one born in Scotland or any one with a Scottish parent you let all sorts all ready play in your national teams any one more or less can vote in the U.K. why are you trying to ecluded peoples heritage? a reply whould be appreciated Sean Connery, Andy me Singapoor or Craig Whyte shoulnd be able to vote...are all tax dodging to bring down your imperial plastic cozy wee union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 who will no vote or should not be allowed to vote: Jehovah witnesses and other objecteurs, prisoners of certain catergories,european citizens and non europeans (its allowed by the treaty of Copenague...where a country can exclued other europeans in participating in internal matters that leads to a change of constitution (a referendums purpose who can or should vote,any one born in Scotland or any one with a Scottish parent you let all sorts all ready play in your national teams any one more or less can vote in the U.K. why are you trying to ecluded peoples heritage? a reply whould be appreciated Sean Connery, Andy me Singapoor or Craig Whyte shoulnd be able to vote...are all tax dodging to bring down your imperial plastic cozy wee union my own opinion is that anyone who is able to vote in the Scottish Parliament elections should be in a position to vote in the referendum. And the 16 and 17 year olds should not be allowed to vote in this unless there is to be a law change allowing all to vote for future Scottish Parliaments. Hopefully that answers your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 a bit if the age of majaration is 16 in Scotland then 16 years should have the right to vote,my son too,its their future and that is my opinion wealth should not be an obstacle, wether poor or rich why cant Scotland extend the vote to Scots living over seas as many other countries do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 a bit if the age of majaration is 16 in Scotland then 16 years should have the right to vote,my son too,its their future and that is my opinion wealth should not be an obstacle, wether poor or rich why cant Scotland extend the vote to Scots living over seas as many other countries do? Why should they get a vote? They don't get a vote in the Scottish parliamentary elections so why should they vote here. If you are changing the rules then it must be for every election not just one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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