PerthSeany Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 They don't use G4S for a kick off. That's because they have seen sense! Although it doesn't matter the name of the company. It's more the point I was making that they can't use a company to provide a service then blame the company they choose to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 They don't use G4S for a kick off. FFS, they must use some security firm? Security is security is security. The company is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Their loophole will be that it is a blank complimentary ticket with no details of the match between Partick and Saints on it. Betcha Tossers.That can be countered with the fact that they have only had ONE abandoned game which is against St.Johnstone....If they have any decency then they would see they have already taken £20 from people and failed to produce an end product.....BUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethamsaintee Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 According to a fandan on the Thistle forum, after pressure from The Jags Trust, the club will be making a statement about this. Probably to say they did the maths wrong and it's actually going to be £15. Scobby_SJFC and PerthSeany 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 According to a fandan on the Thistle forum, after pressure from The Jags Trust, the club will be making a statement about this. Probably to say they did the maths wrong and it's actually going to be £15. Could explain the lack of replies to our emails as of yet. Scobby_SJFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethamsaintee Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Could explain the lack of replies to our emails as of yet. Possibly. The majority of Jags on the forum also feel a wee bit let down. Have a wee look, the forum is called we are thistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Given the fact that Partick already let their own u12 kids in free but charge away kids it wouldnt suprise me if they let their own fans with a ticket in free and still charge us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I wonder what the chances of this happening for us are? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25620878 Bournemouth supporters raise funds for Burton fans to travel Bournemouth supporters have raised almost £3,000 to help Burton fans travel to their re-arranged FA Cup tie. On Saturday, the original game was called off just an hour before kick-off because of a waterlogged pitch. The late postponement meant around 200 Burton fans made a fruitless 300-mile round trip to the south coast. Edited January 7, 2014 by PerthSeany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I wonder what the chances of this happening for us are? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25620878 Bournemouth supporters raise funds for Burton fans to travel Bournemouth supporters have raised almost £3,000 to help Burton fans travel to their re-arranged FA Cup tie. On Saturday, the original game was called off just an hour before kick-off because of a waterlogged pitch. The late postponement meant around 200 Burton fans made a fruitless 300-mile round trip to the south coast. Highly unlikely. It is only Partick season ticket holders that are getting in free again and they are not at all bothered by the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Highly unlikely. It is only Partick season ticket holders that are getting in free again and they are not at all bothered by the situation. Yeah sadly was joking when hoping that happening! haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/st-johnstone-fans-threaten-firhill-2999759 Coverage in the record today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Thistle’s supporters’ charter reads: “If a match is abandoned after spectators are admitted to the ground but before kick-off or half-time, ticket holders are entitled to free admission to the rearranged match.” But Thistle’s overheads for hosting the game are set at around £8000 and they are adamant they will be left out of pocket for the clash. Managing director Ian Maxwell also claims there is no onus on his club to pick up the cost of the fixture. He said: “Once a Scottish Premiership game reaches half-time the host club is under no obligation to provide free entry to the rearranged fixture. “The cost of hosting the rearranged game is such that it will almost certainly mean this match is run at a loss for the club. “Partick Thistle always tries to put football fans first. However, we could not afford to provide, police, stewarding, catering, electricity and all the other overheads required for a game to go ahead safely without charging a certain amount for entry to the rearranged fixture.” So if the game had been abandoned after 44 minutes, none of that would have applied? Surely a club must have some kind of insurance against this, and if not, it is surely a matter where the SPFL should be offering assistance in the interests of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I feel we were even more stictched up. Games shouldn't be started if there isn't a good chance will be completed to protect the supporters. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angus-saint253 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 It’s a ‘f**k you’ to the fans no doubt about it. The problem is that from a Partick point of view, the fans may as well not turn up as get in for free (spend on pies, programs etc will be minimal). It’s therefore a business no brainer for them to charge £12 and accept a fraction of the attendance. They need to pay stewards, police, kiosk staff, lece etc. Sadly Scottish football’s in a position where small clubs like Partick (and St Johnstone) can’t afford to absorb these costs just because it’s the ‘right thing to do’. Incredibly irritating all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Exactly - if the abandonment of a game is outwith the control of the club (freak weather, serious injury or illness etc) I believe that the SPFL should be helping with the cost of the rearranged fixture overheads. £8,000 is pennies on the SPFL scale, but a wad of cash to the wee clubs. Without fans, the game is useless. Given that the rearranged fixture will almost always be midweek, why not offer it to BBC Alba to show live, and cover the cost that way? Edited January 8, 2014 by montrosesaintee angus-saint253 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethamsaintee Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Just had a reply from Thistle. Very long winded and basically shite. Adamant they will be charging. They contradict themselves though - "The vouchers were printed as soon as the game was abandoned" then they go on to say, in the same paragraph 'the vouchers with complimentary were the only ones we had in stock" utter utter shite and pure lies and spin. Jiangsu Sainty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I got a reply. Identical to yours. They are just copy and pasting generic replies. They didn't answer anything I asked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I would be interested to see how much profit they made from the last game if it only costs them £8,000 to put the game on. Can't have made that much of a loss on pies etc as they would have sold a load up to and including half time. Saints could give them a call about saving some money - for this game open only one stand and shift some people about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Just had a reply from Thistle. Very long winded and basically shite. Adamant they will be charging. They contradict themselves though - "The vouchers were printed as soon as the game was abandoned" then they go on to say, in the same paragraph 'the vouchers with complimentary were the only ones we had in stock" utter utter shite and pure lies and spin. They actually had these tickets in the emergency packs that the stewards had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 RE: EXPLANATION REQUIRED - St Johnstone Admission Details S Stacey Greig to me Hi Sean, Following the abandonment of the St Johnstone fixture on December 14 the game was subsequently re-arranged for a 7:45pm kick off on January 21. The abandoned game essentially means that the club is required to cover the cost of an extra game in an already hectic fixture schedule. Partick Thistle always tries to put football fans first however, we could not afford to provide, police, stewarding, catering, electricity and all the other overheads required for a game to go ahead safely without charging a certain amount for entry to the rearranged fixture. The cost of hosting the rearranged game, even with a charge for entry, is such that it will almost certainly mean this match is run at a loss for the club. Once a Scottish Premiership game reaches halftime the host club is under no obligation to provide free entry to the rearranged fixture. Vouchers were printed and issued as soon as the game was abandoned and a tannoy announcement was made letting fans know to hold onto their ticket stubs or collect a match abandoned voucher from a club official for discounted entry into the rescheduled game. As you have have pointed out, the vouchers provided to fans after the game was called off had complimentary printed on the back of them. Unfortunately these tickets were the only ticket stock that we had available at the time. Staff at the club were under immense pressure to ensure that all fans who had paid to enter the game received one in order that they qualify for discounted entry at the rearranged game. In future we will ensure that any vouchers which are handed out are labelled more clearly. At no point should you have been told that the voucher would gain you free admission into the rearranged fixture, if you were told this then I apologise for any confusion. Partick Thistle Football Club always strives to put football fans first and we are sorry if you are unhappy on this occasion. Kind Regards, Kirsty McKee That's the reply we are all getting. Save u the hassle of waiting on the reply to ur email... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooj Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Its all very well giving Partick Thistle a hard time but I dont recall Saints doing anything different when our home game against Hibs was abandoned at half-time (I am guessing this was 10 to 12 years ago). I certainly didnt have any option of getting a voucher - I wasnt able to attend the rearranged fixture but IIRC it was just a reduced entry, certainly no free entry (happy to be proved wrong though). I suspect that insurance for these sorts of events is either not available or prohibitively expensive. I like the suggestion that the SPFL should help out in these situations. Abandonments happen rarely enough that a one-off payment to the home club with conditions relating to the maximum cost of entry would seem sensible. Can imagine that there would still be lots of arguments about the different sets of fans getting charged different amounts though and accounting for how the payment is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint.Justin Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 On the back page of the record today, quotes from posts made on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) We shouldn't have to pay for the fact they didn't bother to insure themselves in the event of this happening though. "Let's not bother insuring it. If it gets to ht then charge the supporters again to cover costs" Do clubs pay a fee to the governing body every year? I presume they do. Surely some insurance would be included in that as part of a management fee or something Edited January 8, 2014 by PerthSeany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint.Justin Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 £8000? Well..clearly shows there up for making a buck off one match than providing good customer service. Screw them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint.Justin Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Surely they must of known the match might of been abandoned before it kicked off so they should of had 'discount vouchers' already printed. Its just their own stupidity and now they should pay the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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