MySpazz Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's high time other Arab countries got involved in sorting out ISIS and all the other vermin, this cannot be done by the West and Russia on its own.If this had happened in Tel Aviv on Friday ISIS would already be smashed to smithereens.I hope Sturgeon and Yousaf have done proper checks on the plane load of Syrians that are due to land in Glasgow on Thursday or will it be a game of refugee roulette.Going to Tel Aviv next weekend. Should be interesting. Feel fairly conflicted about the chimera of who is to blame, what should be done and how etc.All I know is Islam needs a new PR machine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hollande will try to persuade the Yanks and us to put boots on the ground in Syria. I don't think it will happen, so expect the French to ramp up the air strikes and put some special forces in.quite ....willing to listen to you on this, how do you think it will play out? As in.....we knew post 9/11 what was coming...US go mental....france tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul N Shark Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 All this , They were under the radar, known sympathisers etc and not acting on it doesn't save innocent lives.If your a suspect you should be interned just like Britain done to IRA suspects in the 70,s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 I think the argument of let's not attack them and wind them up to take revenge on us is flawed. I believe these guys will keep attacking us regardless of what we do (or don't do). It's time for an international coalition of forces, including those from the Arab World, and even the Russians, to go and clean house there. Obama and Cameron are both shitting themselves that they'll be vilified like Blair was. How many other people need to be kidnapped, beheaded, bombed, machine gunned, drowned in a rubber boat before they discover their courage. Leaders of the free world my arse. MySpazz, Paul N Shark, Oldermoresensiblepack and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky78 Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Go back and look at American policy from the 50s they have been behind all the dirty dealings,aided and abetted by British / French securities, take off your rose tinted glasses.Do I have rose tinted spectacles or are you looking for something that isn't there?Any kind of spin can be put on any situation, people will believe that they want to and often need little convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Sorry Tricky its all out there if you look for it.as a example look at cameron fawning over Saudi funeral and Bahrain, nothing said or reported over saudi constantly bombing the Yemen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Didn't the Americans deliberately bomb a hospital and kill loads of patients and doctors and nurses from MSF a few weeks ago? A self-evident war crime? No? Nah, that didn't happen, cos most of the dead had brown skin. They sure as hell did after the Yankee ****ers had finished burning them to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzsaint Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Didn't the Americans deliberately bomb a hospital and kill loads of patients and doctors and nurses from MSF a few weeks ago? A self-evident war crime? No? Nah, that didn't happen, cos most of the dead had brown skin. They sure as hell did after the Yankee ****ers had finished burning them to death.in the same vein Abernethy, why is nobody giving the same sympathy to Lebanon as they are giving to France?Hidden agenda's at work here I think.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34805466 Abernethy Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Can you imagine if 276 school girls were kidnapped from a British, American or French school? Its pretty sickening to me how you barely see this ever covered on American news (perhaps its on in the uk) nor that western powers have jumped in to help find these people. Maybe they have and we don't know I guess....I agree with above comments in general, we have been bedding the Saudi's for years for obvious reasons (politically) and its time to cut that chord and/or put them on notice to be part of addressing these issues at their root and hold them to it. And clearly I would hope we all agree that wars conducted for similar reasons like Iraq are stupid beyond belief.Short-term, as expected the French are on an aggressive bombing campaign....I still don't see how that is going to do anything other than make Paris a dangerous place for the ongoing future. --- Abernathy --- some more research on Belgium and the gun issue.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/16/frances-real-gun-problem/It's also perhaps important to note that much of the planning for the attacks in Paris may have taken place in neighboring Belgium, which appears to have become a regional hub for weapons.....To get a sense of how different things could have been for France and other countries in the Schengen area without this illegal trade in guns, consider the case of Britain — not only a non-member of the Schengen area, but also an island. Britain is a country with many problems and has its fair share of organized crime.....However, gun crime is generally rare in the country, a reflection of the fact that guns themselves are rare. A Paris-style shooting isn't impossible in Britain, but it would be significantly harder to organize. Abernethy Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky78 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Can you imagine if 276 school girls were kidnapped from a British, American or French school? Its pretty sickening to me how you barely see this ever covered on American news (perhaps its on in the uk) nor that western powers have jumped in to help find these people. Maybe they have and we don't know I guess....I agree with above comments in general, we have been bedding the Saudi's for years for obvious reasons (politically) and its time to cut that chord and/or put them on notice to be part of addressing these issues at their root and hold them to it. And clearly I would hope we all agree that wars conducted for similar reasons like Iraq are stupid beyond belief.Short-term, as expected the French are on an aggressive bombing campaign....I still don't see how that is going to do anything other than make Paris a dangerous place for the ongoing future. --- Abernathy --- some more research on Belgium and the gun issue.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/16/frances-real-gun-problem/It's also perhaps important to note that much of the planning for the attacks in Paris may have taken place in neighboring Belgium, which appears to have become a regional hub for weapons.....To get a sense of how different things could have been for France and other countries in the Schengen area without this illegal trade in guns, consider the case of Britain — not only a non-member of the Schengen area, but also an island. Britain is a country with many problems and has its fair share of organized crime.....However, gun crime is generally rare in the country, a reflection of the fact that guns themselves are rare. A Paris-style shooting isn't impossible in Britain, but it would be significantly harder to organize. If you're referring to the Nigerian girls who were kidnapped, I was i Nigeria at the time and many of my colleagues said that it was massively over estimated the amount who were kidnapped. That said, when in Nigeria I hear of whole villages that are wiped out by Boko Haram and the west hears nothing of it. I suspect that the reason we don't hear about there bombings etc from other countries as it's more the norm there, not saying that makes it ok but when a bomb goes off in Europe of USA then it's big news as it rarely happens. Much like in the USA when a shooting happens it's not news as it happens so often but if it were to happen in the UK it's front page news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Do I have rose tinted spectacles or are you looking for something that isn't there?Any kind of spin can be put on any situation, people will believe that they want to and often need little convincing.You are absolutely correct about your 2nd point, anyone can and will put their own spin anything, including the West. Everything that is in the so called news is spun so it suits the Western agenda. Is it that hard to believe that we aren't the good guys in all of this? 1 thing for sure is we certainly aren't innocent in whats happened in the Middle East. St. Paddy and Tricky78 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_saint Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 "1 thing for sure is we certainly aren't innocent in whats happened in the Middle East."^^^ ThisUnfortunately the latest calls for bombing "them" into submission, would be yet another short term sticking plaster, killing thebad guys now, but doing nothing to solve the long term problems.The west has spent at least the last 100 years propping up/arming/ and then attacking pretty much every country in the middle east.Is it Eastasia or Eurasia we're at war with this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Check Room 101for the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I see they got that bastrad who was behind the attacks - good work by les flics - and the even better news is that he is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MySpazz Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) ..Every time i look at the Paris bomber dude, i can't help but see Jay Kay of Jamiroquai.... Edited November 19, 2015 by MySpazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Jay Kay hasnae got his maw's tea cosy on his heed though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzsaint Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Not usually a fan of Andrew Neil but on this occasion I have to say "Bravo monsieur" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oONoFFK5H0k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE REBEL SAINT Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 ..Every time i look at the Paris bomber dude, i can't help but see Jay Kay of Jamiroquai.... all i see is a coward Abernethy Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) As principal funders of Daesh, can anyone explain why Saudi Arabia haven't been "bombed back into the Stone Age" yet? They have oil which is the usual prerequisite. Let me guess... Edited November 21, 2015 by Denzil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Got it in one Denzil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 The Governments of Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia were indeed funding IS at one point, in order to use them as a proxy for pushing the anti-Shi'ite line. Once it became clear how bad these boys were, they yanked the funding. Of course there are a great many high net worth individuals in that part of the world and some are continuing to support IS.As to bombing the Saudis, it's a case of my enemy's enemy is my friend, not to mention all the money they spend with us. Sickening I know, but the Sauds do help out against IS and other terrorist outfits so it's worth keeping them onside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_saint Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Sickening I know, but the Sauds do help out against IS and other terrorist outfits so it's worth keeping them onside.Aye, just like when they "werent" supporting Al-Queda! That Osama bloke had no Saudi links!!!!!!The middle east , in fact the wider world, would be a far better place without the house of saud. Any country that has a human rights record that would make China blush, should not be considered a friend. sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'm not suggesting we endorse their culture or way of life - they pay good money and help us so let's take both while secretly despising them. It's called realpolitik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_saint Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm not suggesting we endorse their culture or way of life - they pay good money and help us so let's take both while secretly despising them. It's called realpolitik....and then some of them plant airliners straight into skyscrapers. 9/11 was pretty much all saud, and the extended bin laden family where all spirited out of the US even tho there was a no fly zone sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babychunder Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Keep your friends close and your enemies closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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