sixties saintee Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Its all about who wants it more on the day, Oh and who the ref is / comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The club coefficients include a national element. We could qualify for Europe year after year, and unless we did stupidly well, would still have a coefficient lower than a club qualifying for Europe for the first time from England, Germsny etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The club coefficients include a national element. We could qualify for Europe year after year, and unless we did stupidly well, would still have a coefficient lower than a club qualifying for Europe for the first time from England, Germsny etc. That's right. I remember, was it Wigan, a new to Europe English team being allocated a coefficient of 17 or something. No sense nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krm81 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 It is already confirmed that IF we get into Europe, we will be seeded in round 1, but not seeded in round 2. The minimum coefficient required to be seeded in round 2 will be 6.275 and Saints are 6.080. Is it not that 6.275 guarantees you seeding at this point in time? The more relevant part for us is the other figure on his table, which shows the coefficient that guarantees being unseeded, which we are still above? I could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 You also get far, far more points for CL than EL. So a club that played in the CL four years ago and done nothing since would have a higher coefficient than a club qualifying repeatedly for EL (given they didn't do stupidly well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Johnston Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Is it not that 6.275 guarantees you seeding at this point in time? The more relevant part for us is the other figure on his table, which shows the coefficient that guarantees being unseeded, which we are still above? I could be wrong though. Fair play to you, you're right as of today - it is still arithmetically possible for Saints to be seeded in round 2, but the chances are really small! There are six seeded places still to be filled. We already know that at least three teams entering at round 2 stage (Vojvodina, Spartak Trnava and Hafnarfjardar) have higher coefficients than us - so Saints would be fighting to get one of the other three seeded places. Two of these places are likely to be taken this weekend if (a) Sturm Graz get a better result than Rheindorf Altach (Graz are at home on Sunday against a mid-table side, whilst Altach are away at relegated Wiener Neustadt) ( Mlada Boleslav fail to better the result of Marila Pribram (Boleslav are at home on Saturday against a mid-table team, whilst little-known Pribram are away against league leaders Viktoria Plzen, who need a point to win the league). That would leave just one place available and we'd be dependent on results going our way in Poland and Bulgaria over the next three weeks (and ICT winning on Saturday of course!) .... Ali91 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Is the Europa League Final pay at the gate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Is the Europa League Final pay at the gate? NO but Sepp Blatter seemingly has 10,000 freebies -so phone him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 When is the actual draw for this seasons Europa League ties ? What date is the 1st round both Home and away ? Will Falkirk/St.Johnstone be mentioned in the first draw with the unlucky team being ditched as soon as the result of the Sccottish cup is announced ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenrothes saintee Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Draw is on June 22nd according to this. I'm assuming those clubs involved will know beforehand who they have a chance of playing.http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calendar2015.html Edited May 27, 2015 by glenrothes saintee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Draw is on June 22nd according to this. I'm assuming those clubs involved will know beforehand who they have a chance of playing.http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calendar2015.html Cheers -thought the way some were talking the ties were early June -but that clarifies it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Fair play to you, you're right as of today - it is still arithmetically possible for Saints to be seeded in round 2, but the chances are really small! There are six seeded places still to be filled. We already know that at least three teams entering at round 2 stage (Vojvodina, Spartak Trnava and Hafnarfjardar) have higher coefficients than us - so Saints would be fighting to get one of the other three seeded places. Two of these places are likely to be taken this weekend if (a) Sturm Graz get a better result than Rheindorf Altach (Graz are at home on Sunday against a mid-table side, whilst Altach are away at relegated Wiener Neustadt) ( Mlada Boleslav fail to better the result of Marila Pribram (Boleslav are at home on Saturday against a mid-table team, whilst little-known Pribram are away against league leaders Viktoria Plzen, who need a point to win the league). That would leave just one place available and we'd be dependent on results going our way in Poland and Bulgaria over the next three weeks (and ICT winning on Saturday of course!) .... Fantastic post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYellowBox Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The seeding might depend too on how other results go in round 1. If we qualify and won our round one ties, that would push up not only our club but country co-efficient. If any other scottish clubs win through that round help us too. Might not help with round 2 seeding as I think both rounds have been drawn at the same time, but would help round 3 if we a) qualify and got that far. I'd assume too that a few seeded teams would be knocked out in rounds 1 and 2. The whole seeding thing has been a downfall of scottish clubs for years. We have quite a big rotation of qualifying teams compared to other countries, so individual clubs don't build up much of an individual coefficient. If Scottish clubs just all got a round or two further each year we'd have a lot more seeded teams and it would get easier for all scottish teams each year. All only relative or of interest to us so long as our friends in the north do the business over Falkirk on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Johnston Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The seeding might depend too on how other results go in round 1. If we qualify and won our round one ties, that would push up not only our club but country co-efficient. If any other scottish clubs win through that round help us too. Might not help with round 2 seeding as I think both rounds have been drawn at the same time, but would help round 3 if we a) qualify and got that far. I'd assume too that a few seeded teams would be knocked out in rounds 1 and 2. The whole seeding thing has been a downfall of scottish clubs for years. We have quite a big rotation of qualifying teams compared to other countries, so individual clubs don't build up much of an individual coefficient. If Scottish clubs just all got a round or two further each year we'd have a lot more seeded teams and it would get easier for all scottish teams each year. All only relative or of interest to us so long as our friends in the north do the business over Falkirk on Saturday. 'Fraid not - the club coefficients don't change round by round, only from year to year. So success in the early stages of the Europa League in 2015 would not result in a higher club coefficient until this time next year. Your penultimate sentence is right, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-johns-toun Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Let's All get behind ict this weekend ...its up to them to put us through ...cmon ict! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysaint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 the Arabs didnt make it but the Waps are almost there,almost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnoull Kicker Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 'Fraid not - the club coefficients don't change round by round, only from year to year. So success in the early stages of the Europa League in 2015 would not result in a higher club coefficient until this time next year. Your penultimate sentence is right, though. Don't think this is right Percy ? if an unseeded team beats a seeded team in round 1 do they not assume the coefficient of the seeded team they beat ie when we beat Rosenborg did we not obtain their coefficient and hence become a seeded team for the next round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Don't think this is right Percy ? if an unseeded team beats a seeded team in round 1 do they not assume the coefficient of the seeded team they beat ie when we beat Rosenborg did we not obtain their coefficient and hence become a seeded team for the next round? No, we effectively took their seeding for the next tie. Draw was made before the second leg so would have been drawn Rosenberg/StJ (seeded) v Minsk/Whoever (unseeded) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Was that not us going from second round to third? This time we are in first, and I think first and second rounds are drawn together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnoull Kicker Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Was that not us going from second round to third? This time we are in first, and I think first and second rounds are drawn together. Aha think that's right as we've yet to enter in round 1. so this plus Duncs comment makes sense. Anyhoo if ICT do us a favour and the draw is kind would be nice to get Liverpool or West Ham in round 2 - not exactly exotic locations but what a blast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 When I was a student in Aberdeen, we queued all night to get tickets as neutrals for the European Cup match against Liverpool. Dreadful, dreadful game of football, and Aberdeen (quite sort of St Johnstonish at the time) got humped over the two legs. But a great experience nonetheless. Funny reading you guys reports on the state of pittodrie these days - back then, it was all shiny bright and new, the most modern stadium in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnoull Kicker Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 When I was a student in Aberdeen, we queued all night to get tickets as neutrals for the European Cup match against Liverpool. Dreadful, dreadful game of football, and Aberdeen (quite sort of St Johnstonish at the time) got humped over the two legs. But a great experience nonetheless. Funny reading you guys reports on the state of pittodrie these days - back then, it was all shiny bright and new, the most modern stadium in the UK. It sure is a tip - and your showin your age! West Ham would be nice - remember (just) the game with them at Muirton. think it was the official "opening" of the floodlights. Bobby Moore was playing and they brought along the European Cup Winners Cup to show it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 My student days coincided with the Fergie era (almost all of it, as my student days were somewhat extended to to a difference of opinion between me and the University authorities on the issue of turning up for classes, which they apparently regarded as being of some importance). We'd nae money to travel to watch our own teams - we adopted Aberdeen for the duration, but hopped over to the away end when our teams came to town (and invariably got utterly humped). It was £1.50 as a student to get in! Saw all the big Europe games. Saw some truely amazing football - that was an astonishing team. But it means so, so much more to watch your OWN team in Europe and cup finals. Mon the Caley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Btw, some of you may remember that the away and home ends at Pittodrie were the other way round in those days, which made for some exciting moments post match as the fans had to cross each other. Not in the Celtic way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainties sheep Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Guy's, guy's, guy's. Please, don't temp fate. Let's wait until after 5 pm on Saturday. Some here are talking like we've already qualified for Europe. . Just remember, "the last thing you want comes in first, the first thing you want never comes" ! We haven't ! hopefully we will though ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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