SaintSam1884 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 He's a proven goalscorer at a lower level though - how many goals did he get last year? I hope he does well but it's a big gamble for Owen since given the current form of the strikers another shot-shy dud is the last thing he needs. I appreciate Weatherston is younger than Deuchar but Weatherston scored a lot of goals at a lower level as well, yet nobody really saw that as an issue when he signed for us. Deuchar is only 27, and with Gretnas ability to release players as and when they see fit, he's done well to stay there. He did well by all accounts during his spell with Northamption in League One in England too. His record is something like 76 starts, 54 goals for Gretna. You can't really knock that. He's worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templeofsaints Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 First of all for Gr£tna he probably had decent service. His record there is a good one but 41 of those goals came when they were in the 2nd Div and arguably romping home every week due to the gulf between the other sides and Brooke's SPL DreamTeam. The point about Weatherston is valid if he's been signed as a striker - I think he's more likely to be used as a right winger, since his pace is arguably his best attribute (other than the coiffure of course). Like it or not, unless Offiong or another proven striker (at this level or above) signs tomorrow, Deuchar will be looked upon as OC's solution to the current goalscoring problem. I don't doubt for a minute that if Daal, Stewart and Jacko were wading in with 2-3 goals each by now that we'd have signed him. He's not a proven goalscorer at this level and therefore it is a big gamble for the manager. As for Gr£tna's need to release a player, they've got a squad of about 400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSam1884 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 First of all for Gr£tna he probably had decent service. His record there is a good one but 41 of those goals came when they were in the 2nd Div and arguably romping home every week due to the gulf between the other sides and Brooke's SPL DreamTeam. The point about Weatherston is valid if he's been signed as a striker - I think he's more likely to be used as a right winger, since his pace is arguably his best attribute (other than the coiffure of course). Like it or not, unless Offiong or another proven striker (at this level or above) signs tomorrow, Deuchar will be looked upon as OC's solution to the current goalscoring problem. I don't doubt for a minute that if Daal, Stewart and Jacko were wading in with 2-3 goals each by now that we'd have signed him. He's not a proven goalscorer at this level and therefore it is a big gamble for the manager. As for Gr£tna's need to release a player, they've got a squad of about 400. I think the overwhelming point to take from this is that if the service is there, Deuchar knows how to score goals. It's now down to the likes of Weatherston, McCluskey, Hardie, Sheerin and McLaren to create for our strikers. Be positive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Im sceptical about this. He doesn't have a proven record at this level. He struggled to get a game for Gretna last year and got shipped off! How is that proven? Yes he scored a barrowload in Div 3, but I'm positive Stewart would have if he had players like Tosh and O'Neil giving him qaulity balls, against terrible opposition. He was far from impressive in the games vrs Saints. Ill always fully support the boy, but I can't say im impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calypso Kid Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 This is a bonus for me and the more i think about it the better i feel. I had resigned myself to making do with Daal and Stewart until Savo gets back, IF savo gets back. Positive step by OC in my opinion. Just hope another midfielder is lined up too though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUZZ Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 i'd be up for daal going out on loan and keeping stewart as back up til xmas. get daal away somewhere to get games and get his confidence back so he hopefully comes back on fire in january Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint O'Leith Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 He'll score on Sunday. My first reaction was admittedly not positive, and maybe its the Thursday lager, but I'm coming round to thinking it's a good wee bit of business. As we currently have no goal threat whatsoever from open play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corned Beef Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Decent player in the lower leagues and I reckon given a chance, he could score a few for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewGti Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I recall exactly the same comments being made when Stewart signed.......and he's done well eh? People are allowed to have an opinion on signings. Ofcourse people are intilted to their opinion, thats what the forum is for and I wasnt saying they arnt. I just dont get how anyone can judge a player before he has even played one game for us, this really bugs me. If he turns out to be shit by all means complain but to say someone is going to be a bad signing before anyone has seen them isnt right. This is just my opinion, give the guy a chance before you judge him is all i am saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Ofcourse people are intilted to their opinion, thats what the forum is for and I wasnt saying they arnt. I just dont get how anyone can judge a player before he has even played one game for us, this really bugs me. If he turns out to be shit by all means complain but to say someone is going to be a bad signing before anyone has seen them isnt right. This is just my opinion, give the guy a chance before you judge him is all i am saying. Surely we can judge him from his records at clubs before here? His records good, but anyones record would be good if they played in that Gretna side. I have mixed feelings. Hopefully he will give us a aerial threat up front that we dont seem to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintkev Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 There's a bandwagon, let me jump on it, ahhhh, that's better... Boo, moan, grumble... I now feel much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezza70 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Ken If you are reading this good luck mate, I hope you score plenty for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Marc Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I for one hope that the big guy doesn't get anywhere close to reading this thread. We need a signing and this gives us options we didn't have 24 hours ago!! Let's judge the boy on his performance!! Oh flying high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bracoboy Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I doubt very much if we could sign anyone with a better SFL goal scoring record. I think to many people expect to much. It's not as if Kenny Miller is likely to drop a league. Even if he did, all the doom merchants would slate Coyle for bringing in a Celtic dud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford 72 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I doubt very much if we could sign anyone with a better SFL goal scoring record. I think to many people expect to much. It's not as if Kenny Miller is likely to drop a league. Even if he did, all the doom merchants would slate Coyle for bringing in a Celtic dud. Why are we limited to players in Scotland? The best Saints sides I've seen were supplemented by foreign talent. Baltacha in the the early 90s, Dasovic and Dino under Sturrock, Simao in the late 90s and Jason last season. I appreciate he's tried to bring in a foreign striker but just because Daal isn't working, doesn't mean that isn't a market worth sourcing. There seems to be this notion that folk are slagging Coyle and Deuchar for the sake of it, which is patently nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Jenkins Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Why are we limited to players in Scotland? The best Saints sides I've seen were supplemented by foreign talent. Baltacha in the the early 90s, Dasovic and Dino under Sturrock, Simao in the late 90s and Jason last season. I appreciate he's tried to bring in a foreign striker but just because Daal isn't working, doesn't mean that isn't a market worth sourcing. There seems to be this notion that folk are slagging Coyle and Deuchar for the sake of it, which is patently nonsense. As explained last night, it comes down to money. We cannot/will not offer the same money as many reserve players in the SPL are on let alone the wages and incurred costs of brining someone over from another country. Infact as explained last night Raith were offering Todd a better basic and we were close to getting McKay from Livi only for them to come in and offer a better deal. While I understand the reasons for the wage structure at the end of the day money talks if we do not offer the best we will not get the best and as such the SPL will always be out of site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Why are we limited to players in Scotland? Do you know for a fact that Coyle has not been targeting players in other countries? the sums that players receive down south in the nationwide are far higher than up here in addition to which you also have 90 odd clubs competing for them. Yes we signed folk years ago and look at the reputed wages we were having to pay back then, you would need 3 or 4 times that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Quinlank Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I notice the official site confirms that Deuchar is an "emergency loan". In what way can this be classified as an "emergency"?? Is it because we're down to our last six strikers??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSam1884 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I notice the official site confirms that Deuchar is an "emergency loan". In what way can this be classified as an "emergency"?? Is it because we're down to our last six strikers??? It was only because we couldn't get him on a normal loan. Other clubs abuse the system, so why shouldn't Saints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I notice the official site confirms that Deuchar is an "emergency loan". In what way can this be classified as an "emergency"?? Is it because we're down to our last six strikers??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watty Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I see the good doctor has a bebo page, lets go bombard him with confidence boasting messages of worship and support. http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=3631982455 p.s. I see Xavier Barrau has turned up at Darlington, he'd of been a no bad signing to add to our glut of wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon the saints Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 talking about goalscorers,does anyone have any idea how much of a ban martin hardie got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint5588 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hardie was only banned for 1 match and that was at Clyde last week. Does it matter who starts scoring goals as long as someone does?? I dont mind who coyle brings in to the club as long as he looks as if he wants to play and puts in a good performance. I hope that a few strikers get goals on sunday and boost their confidence in front of goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'm not sure about the detail of this rule. However we know that all squads should be complete and fixed by tonight. Could it be that one of our forwards is walking out or is being transferred? Therefore SJFC have invoked this ruling out of necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleacher Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Are "emergency loans" not only for three months? In that case he would have to go back on Dec 1st, as opposed to Stewart who has to go back on Jan 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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