The ghost of Jim Morton Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Will Saints appeal either of the red cards today? Under normal circumstances I think the might but and this is a big BUT... If we appeal then both players will be available for the Partick game and the appeal will be heard on Thur-Fri this coming week. Now here's the rub... If the appeals fail then both players will miss the next two games.. Dundee utd away AND THE SEMI..... So , given how many appeals get turned down, should we just take it on the chin??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mystery Man Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Tommy Wright said in the interview that they will be appealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Is Ando not just a one game ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Is Ando not just a one game ban? Yes. I imagine we'll appeal for Anderson but not Mannus. HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Worth appealing Andersons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Is Ando not just a one game ban? I thought it was two for a straight red but you might be correct on Ando.. Radford whaur are yee??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Would a ban apply to League Cup.Think violent conduct might which would probably apply to Mannus but Ando was for last man which I thought was harsh as I think he was trying to make contact with the ball & not take out the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I thought it was two for a straight red but you might be correct on Ando.. Radford whaur are yee??? Unofficial Saints Twitter says it's a 2 match ban for violent conduct (Mannus) and a 1 match ban for Anderson. The ghost of Jim Morton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Think it depends how many times you have been sent off in a season. First sending off 1 game, second 2 games, third 3 games etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Can you actually appeal a decision on the basis you don't agree with the referees decision? Is it not the only way this would be over turned either the ref after seeing it again admits in his match report that he feels he got it wrong? Edited January 18, 2014 by PerthSeany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Can you actually appeal a decision on the basis you don't agree with the referees decision? Is it not the only way this would be over turned either the ref after seeing it again admits in his match report that he feels he got it wrong? No Seany, you can appeal as a club if you think the decision was wrong.. We did it a few weeks ago with Paddy Cregg.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSam1884 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I was baffled to see Anderson given a red for that. My understanding was that it was no longer about being "the last man" but entirely down to whether a clear goal scoring opportunity was denied. This is obviously open to interpretation but the player was miles from goal, the other defenders were nearby and he still had 20 odd yards to run and a goalkeeper to beat. Absolute nonsense. Yellow card all day long. Not worth appealing Mannus' red. HOODLUM65, Born2Bru and ryangordon86 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 No Seany, you can appeal as a club if you think the decision was wrong.. We did it a few weeks ago with Paddy Cregg.. And lost as we usually do.If it puts at risk the chance of the 2 of them playing in the semi then I would say we should just accept them unless TW has seen the highlights and is convinced it has a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 And lost as we usually do.If it puts at risk the chance of the 2 of them playing in the semi then I would say we should just accept them unless TW has seen the highlights and is convinced it has a chance. Anderson would not lose out on the semi as it was a league match he was sent off in and it was not for violent conduct. Only violent conducts crosses competitions. Violent conduct is a 2 game ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Mannus gets anymore than a 2 game ban I can see us appealing that as I feel we would have a strong case when you compare it bans others received for probably a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Mannus gets anymore than a 2 game ban I can see us appealing that as I feel we would have a strong case when you compare it bans others received for probably a lot worse. His ban will not increase as it is something the ref has seen and dealt with.. 2 games no more.. Oldermoresensiblepack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Players Sent Off for Denying the Opposing Team or an Opponent a Goal or an ObviousGoal Scoring Opportunity as Defined by Law 12A player who is sent off for denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or anobvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12, will have 5 penalty points added tohis applicable League disciplinary record. In addition, he will automatically be suspended inthat competition until such time as his club has completed one match in the competitionThe following qualification applies:-– A player who is sent off for serious foul play or violent conduct is suspendedautomatically until such time as his club's team(s) has completed a match in acompetition for which he would otherwise be eligible for selection.– A player who is sent off for spitting at an opponent or any other person issuspended automatically until such time as his club’s team(s) has completed itsnext two matches in competitions for which he would otherwise be eligible forselection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Players Sent Off for Denying the Opposing Team or an Opponent a Goal or an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity as Defined by Law 12 A player who is sent off for denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12, will have 5 penalty points added to his applicable League disciplinary record. In addition, he will automatically be suspended in that competition until such time as his club has completed one match in the competition The following qualification applies:- – A player who is sent off for serious foul play or violent conduct is suspended automatically until such time as his club's team(s) has completed a match in a competition for which he would otherwise be eligible for selection. – A player who is sent off for spitting at an opponent or any other person is suspended automatically until such time as his club’s team(s) has completed its next two matches in competitions for which he would otherwise be eligible for selection. I read that earlier but the date I saw on it was 2011 I think.. That makes you think one game for mannus but both Cregg and fallon got two??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Mannus will be deemed Violent Conduct - which carries a 2 match ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cristo Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 His ban will not increase as it is something the ref has seen and dealt with.. 2 games no more.. Then I think we should just accept the bans for both Ando and Mannus. Ando's may have been a bit harsh but the ref felt he was following the letter of the law and will without doubt get the support of the powers that be. As for Mannus, if any panel can sit through that melee and come out with a different decision than the ref made, then gaun yersel'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldermoresensiblepack Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Then I think we should just accept the bans for both Ando and Mannus. Ando's may have been a bit harsh but the ref felt he was following the letter of the law and will without doubt get the support of the powers that be. As for Mannus, if any panel can sit through that melee and come out with a different decision than the ref made, then gaun yersel'. so why was this not applicable when Midge (I think) was brought down in similar circumstances? and why did he only give the penalties when the linesman at either end was waving their flags like a college cheerleader? the ref was an embarrassment. Edited January 18, 2014 by Oldermoresensiblepack The ghost of Jim Morton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cristo Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 so why was this not applicable when Midge (I think) was brought down in similar circumstances? and why did he only give the penalties when the linesman at either end was waving their flags like a college cheerleader? the ref was an embarrassment. I don't disagree at all on your comments about the ref's overall performance. I was commenting on the value of appeals, and don't think it's worth the money in either case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldermoresensiblepack Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I don't disagree at all on your comments about the ref's overall performance. I was commenting on the value of appeals, and don't think it's worth the money in either case.So basically the letter of the law is (in Scottish football at any rate) dependent on which team you play for?If it states your off surely the Yamm should have been off?Displays like that do nothing to dispel the argument that our referees are incompetent or bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Players Sent Off for Denying the Opposing Team or an Opponent a Goal or an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity as Defined by Law 12 A player who is sent off for denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12, will have 5 penalty points added to his applicable League disciplinary record. In addition, he will automatically be suspended in that competition until such time as his club has completed one match in the competition The following qualification applies:- – A player who is sent off for serious foul play or violent conduct is suspended automatically until such time as his club's team(s) has completed a match in a competition for which he would otherwise be eligible for selection. – A player who is sent off for spitting at an opponent or any other person is suspended automatically until such time as his club’s team(s) has completed its next two matches in competitions for which he would otherwise be eligible for selection. Thatis from the old rules ancient, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Thatis from the old rules ancient,yeah i know -sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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