The Neutral Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 UEFA take a very dim view of footballing penalties being challenged through the courts. Infact, i seem to recall that the licence to play specifically says all appeals must be through sporting channels. This could easily be 'ok, transfer ban lifted, but so is your league licence revoked. Goodbye' The last european club to try civil courts against their fa didnt fair too well... Isnt that right Sion? this is scotland though...... what would happen IF the scottish courts ruled in favour of RFC? SFA would be forced to lift their ban. UEFA hate outside agencies getting involved so SFA would be in a no win situation.. They risk contempt of court by keeping the ban in place and ( potentially ) risk UEFA's wrath for lifting the ban. Could UEFA remove Scotlands European places for next season IF this happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 this is scotland though...... what would happen IF the scottish courts ruled in favour of RFC? SFA would be forced to lift their ban. UEFA hate outside agencies getting involved so SFA would be in a no win situation.. They risk contempt of court by keeping the ban in place and ( potentially ) risk UEFA's wrath for lifting the ban. Could UEFA remove Scotlands European places for next season IF this happened? I believe they can and I think that's what they threatened the Swiss with. Removing th Swiss places not Scotland's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorsaint Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 How’s paying the courts bill for Rangers next case against SFA more money down the drain. I am hoping UEFA get involved as it make wake the SFA up and Regan would be worried if he gets and called from Zurich next week Scotland place could be jeopardy they did threaten the Swiss FA with the same thing over FC Sion. Also if UEFA did get involved and threaten SFA it could make more people turn on Rangers and their board they will have no more allies if Scotland place is in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18212287 So it seems that the plot thickens... Surely though, the fact that one of the partners of the supposedly "neutral" administrators was knocking about with Whyte professionally and now socially, is evidence enough of a conflict of interest? Why does it need to be proved that he had exact knowledge of this specific deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) Anyone who wants to read some more opinions on this should read Pie & Bovril. Now I can't verify the posters but makes fascinating reading. The general opinion is that expulsion and oblivion are the route Rangers are heading as there is worse, much worse to come. Edited May 26, 2012 by john1962 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 this is scotland though...... what would happen IF the scottish courts ruled in favour of RFC? SFA would be forced to lift their ban. UEFA hate outside agencies getting involved so SFA would be in a no win situation.. They risk contempt of court by keeping the ban in place and ( potentially ) risk UEFA's wrath for lifting the ban. Could UEFA remove Scotlands European places for next season IF this happened? Wow that WOULD go down well with the Celtic fans. Football quiz question (in season 20120-13 how long did St Johnstone stay in the Europa cup).2 weeks ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryhallsdanceband Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Oh boy - can you imagine the stushie down 'Paradise' way if UEFA withdrew all Europe spots from Scottish clubs. Would be 'helmets on everyone' and don't go ANYWHERE near George Square in Glasgow - war zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18212287 So it seems that the plot thickens... Surely though, the fact that one of the partners of the supposedly "neutral" administrators was knocking about with Whyte professionally and now socially, is evidence enough of a conflict of interest? Why does it need to be proved that he had exact knowledge of this specific deal? Don't think it needs to be 'proved' as such, it boils down to a balance of probabilities, even the perception of conflict of interests should be enough to make said party step aside...........as Dob Dylan would say; You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast Yonder stands your orphan with his gun Crying like a fire in the sun Look out the saints are comin' through And it's all over now, Baby Blue. The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence The empty handed painter from your streets Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets This sky, too, is folding under you And it's all over now, Baby Blue. All your seasick sailors, they are rowing home Your empty handed armies, are all going home Your lover who just walked out the door Has taken all his blankets from the floor The carpet, too, is moving under you And it's all over now, Baby Blue. Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you Forget the dead you've left, they will not follow you The vagabond who's rapping at your door Is standing in the clothes that you once wore Strike another match, go start a new And it's all over now, Baby Blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Is it not Dob Bylan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) Think they are appealing because a transfer embargo is not on the list of sanctions available according to SFA rules. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFApublications2011-12/Scottish%20FA%20Judicial%20Panel%20Protocol.pdf Edited May 26, 2012 by Blues Brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Think they are appealing because a transfer embargo is not on the list of sanctions available according to SFA rules. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFApublications2011-12/Scottish%20FA%20Judicial%20Panel%20Protocol.pdf Then presumably the only option now open to the SFA is exclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Think they are appealing because a transfer embargo is not on the list of sanctions available according to SFA rules. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFApublications2011-12/Scottish%20FA%20Judicial%20Panel%20Protocol.pdf This was the substance of their initial appeal, and despite a top QC arguing on their behalf, a Law Lord rejected, unequivocally, their objection in under 4 hours. The rules allow the panel to 'deal with as they see fit'. some of the best legal minds in the country issued this punishment and rejected the appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevensan Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Read this... http://bit.ly/JC00g8 I can hardly wait to find out what else they have done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Read this... http://bit.ly/JC00g8 I can hardly wait to find out what else they have done! Tick tock, tick tock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Can you help me with something that has been confusing me (well, one of many things). When folk call for Rangers to be terminated, abolished, throw the chunts out etc, do you mean expelled from the SPL, probably to emerge in Div 3 as a newco? in other words, simply liquidation in a business sense, ending the club in it's current form. Or do you mean Rangers are prevented from participating in senior football in Scotland, period, in any form? If the latter, what is the process that would make that happen? Surely anyone can form a proddy club in Glasgow and apply to join the SFL? This is a genuine enquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Can you help me with something that has been confusing me (well, one of many things). When folk call for Rangers to be terminated, abolished, throw the chunts out etc, do you mean expelled from the SPL, probably to emerge in Div 3 as a newco? in other words, simply liquidation in a business sense, ending the club in it's current form. Or do you mean Rangers are prevented from participating in senior football in Scotland, period, in any form? If the latter, what is the process that would make that happen? Surely anyone can form a proddy club in Glasgow and apply to join the SFL? This is a genuine enquiry. From what I have read taking the SFA to court could/will prompt UEFA/FIFA to threaten to throw the national team out of all competitions if they don't deal with Rangers properly I.e. expel them. If expelled, they have no licence and nowhere to go. It would then take an AFC Wimbledon type club to appear. The problem they would have is that Scotland has no pyramid system. That's without even considering the big tax case, dual contracts, what Mark Daly and Rangers Tax Case still have. Oh and the adminstrators have stated they run out of money on Thursday and will have no players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Sportsound today is proving to be interesting listening.... Sounds like the BBC have more up their sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Sportsound today is proving to be interesting listening.... Sounds like the BBC have more up their sleeve. It has been hinted at that we ain't heard nothing yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Has there ever been a transfer embargo before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wish i was Joe McGurn Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Has there ever been a transfer embargo before? Yeah for entering admin, Dundee got round it by being allowed to sign 3 loan players, that's it though. Would depend on the loan rules in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Yeah for entering admin, Dundee got round it by being allowed to sign 3 loan players, that's it though. Would depend on the loan rules in the SPL. ...and using trialists, which is not allowed under SPL rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wish i was Joe McGurn Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 ...and using trialists, which is not allowed under SPL rules Yeah sorry, trialists. Good that its not allowed then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Yeah for entering admin, Dundee got round it by being allowed to sign 3 loan players, that's it though. Would depend on the loan rules in the SPL. So they could bring in 20 loan players from Unnited and Rapid Vienna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 So they could bring in 20 loan players from Unnited and Rapid Vienna. Nope. There is a limit to the number of loan players you can take. I think it is maybe 5 or 6 - which we sailed pretty close to last season when we had Sheridan, Croft, Keatings and the 2 Spurs boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Nope. There is a limit to the number of loan players you can take. I think it is maybe 5 or 6 - which we sailed pretty close to last season when we had Sheridan, Croft, Keatings and the 2 Spurs boys. Well with 50,000 home ctowds they should have plenty money for that and retaining their good players, maybe I'm wrong. Some punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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