rik2304 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tommy-wright-admits-st-johnstone-2311411 "LAST season the Perthshire Saints finished in the top six and qualified for Europe, but manager Tommy Wright has told fans that they may have to lower their expectation levels this term." If Lomas had said that we would be on page 110 already! Why is it so wrong to have a measure of expectation/hope? Will we NEVER be an established Prem side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 In fact, with THE Rangers still not in the league and Hearts starting with a points deduction, effectively taking them out of the top 6 equation, surely that increases our chances of finishing in the top half of the league.  I just don't get this 'lowered expectations' nonsense. The more I think about it, the more it annoys me with it's negativity.  Okay, in the end, we may not make top 6, and that wouldn't be a disaster (as long as we stayed up), but accepting an outcome and having a level of expectation at the outset are two totally different things Havana Saint and Nelly78 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 I thought the worst performance of the afternoon was provided by a section of our support, certainly the section around where I sit. They were getting on the players' backs right from the opening whistle. Our defending was pretty poor throughout the game, but it certainly wasn't going to improve after a bit of abuse. We weren't even playing that badly in the first-half. Certainly not as badly as we played in the first half against Celtic last week, or in the Hibs match the week before. Saints are very much a confidence team, and it was no surprise to see us begin to create chances once we had finally put the ball in the back of the net. It's funny how the atmosphere also changed at that point. Beforehand, misplaced passes were being greeted with absolute seethe by those around me. As soon as the goal went in, misplaced passes were greeted with applause and shouts of 'Unlucky! Good effort!'. Â Anyway, both teams passed the ball around well but Partick looked the slightly more dangerous side in the first half while we dominated the second period. Disappointed we didn't sneak it, but a point is better than nothing. MacLean was my man of the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 I thought the worst performance of the afternoon was provided by a section of our support, certainly the section around where I sit. They were getting on the players' backs right from the opening whistle. Our defending was pretty poor throughout the game, but it certainly wasn't going to improve after a bit of abuse. We weren't even playing that badly in the first-half. Certainly not as badly as we played in the first half against Celtic last week, or in the Hibs match the week before. Saints are very much a confidence team, and it was no surprise to see us begin to create chances once we had finally put the ball in the back of the net. It's funny how the atmosphere also changed at that point. Beforehand, misplaced passes were being greeted with absolute seethe by those around me. As soon as the goal went in, misplaced passes were greeted with applause and shouts of 'Unlucky! Good effort!'.  Anyway, both teams passed the ball around well but Partick looked the slightly more dangerous side in the first half while we dominated the second period. Disappointed we didn't sneak it, but a point is better than nothing. MacLean was my man of the match.  Welcome to football the world over  Really starting to get annoyed by the 'no criticism' brigade. Yes, there is a limit, but what you described above happens in every ground in every league in the world....many, many places one hell of a lot worse than you will ever experience at a Saints game. Jeez, it happens at football levels well below professional.  Supporting football is a full circle experience, from anger, to frustration to hope and joy. That is the attraction for many. All you that want to remove any form of dissatisfied shouts or negativity from the stands are living in cloud cuckoo land. Not everyone is the same. Some are more passionate than others and express themselves through their voice, others are more reserved and the criticism may come later between friends when they look back on the game.  One thing is for sure, 99% of those in the ground are delighted when we play well, when individuals do well and when the players give their all. Don't mistake the outpouring of criticism as some sign that that person is not a true or die-hard fan or whatever you want to call them. Even if they have given a player a mouthful 5 minutes before, if that player scores they will be delighted. I cant stand when other smug supporters turn round as if superior when this happens  There will always be the exception (the guy in the mainstand for example who seems to take no joy in Saints doing well) Zamora Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013  Welcome to football the world over  Really starting to get annoyed by the 'no criticism' brigade. Yes, there is a limit, but what you described above happens in every ground in every league in the world....many, many places one hell of a lot worse than you will ever experience at a Saints game. Jeez, it happens at football levels well below professional.  Supporting football is a full circle experience, from anger, to frustration to hope and joy. That is the attraction for many. All you that want to remove any form of dissatisfied shouts or negativity from the stands are living in cloud cuckoo land. Not everyone is the same. Some are more passionate than others and express themselves through their voice, others are more reserved and the criticism may come later between friends when they look back on the game.  One thing is for sure, 99% of those in the ground are delighted when we play well, when individuals do well and when the players give their all. Don't mistake the outpouring of criticism as some sign that that person is not a true or die-hard fan or whatever you want to call them. Even if they have given a player a mouthful 5 minutes before, if that player scores they will be delighted. I cant stand when other smug supporters turn round as if superior when this happens  There will always be the exception (the guy in the mainstand for example who seems to take no joy in Saints doing well)  I have no problem with criticism when it's deserved. The players deserved some criticism for their displays in the 1st half against Celtic last week and the Hibs game the week before. I probably dished some out myself. However, there was no need for the abuse I heard from the starting whistle against Partick Thistle. Apart from a defensive lapse or two, it was an improved performance. The man behind me is the worst offender. He went absolutely mental when a sideways pass occurred (there were no other options). Two minutes later, one of our players punted it up the pitch and he said, 'Oh aye, typical! When in doubt, punt it!'.  I'm not talking about justified criticism, Edstar. I'm talking about sheer ignorance. mainstand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Fair enough.....football fans aren't well known for their consistency or level headedness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scobby_SJFC Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Anyone else think Wright could have did a bit better on the line for their goal or am I being harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Anyone else think Wright could have did a bit better on the line for their goal or am I being harsh? Â No I think he thought the ball was going to go across the front of goal and left it. Cant understand why he didnt boot it out the park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Anyone else think Wright could have did a bit better on the line for their goal or am I being harsh? Â Your spot on with that ... Â He should've got that a little leg stretch ball saved... with his experience a big blunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Johnstone1884 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Someone on here suggested he was put off by Ando's screaming in agony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Someone on here suggested he was put off by Ando's screaming in agony Just a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just watched highlights for first time. Ando's slip had nothing to do with Frazer's error I'm afraid.....not sure why he didn't attempt to cut it out.For me, the handball wasn't a penalty either. The defender had no idea where the ball was. One of the things wrong with football these days is when penalties are given for incidents like that.Also, I think my laptop is broken because it looked like Chris Millar had a shot on target The Inspiration and Scobby_SJFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I can only think he must have thought the boy would have squared it into the box and not gone for goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I can only think he must have thought the boy would have squared it into the box and not gone for goal.I think his only reason could be that he was just caught a bit 'out of step' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Also, I think my laptop is broken because it looked like Chris Millar had a shot on target  What was worse was the commentator saying you don't want to give Chris Millar all this time to shoot. We ve been waiting 3 seasons for a shot on target. Edstar101 and Scobby_SJFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scobby_SJFC Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just watched highlights for first time. Ando's slip had nothing to do with Frazer's error I'm afraid.....not sure why he didn't attempt to cut it out. For me, the handball wasn't a penalty either. The defender had no idea where the ball was. One of the things wrong with football these days is when penalties are given for incidents like that. Also, I think my laptop is broken because it looked like Chris Millar had a shot on target Fully agree never a penalty, defnder knew nothing about it until it hit him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Fully agree never a penalty, defnder knew nothing about it until it hit him  Why was he moving to block a cross with his arms out in front of him?  Far more intent in the hand ball than jumping for a high ball and using arms for leverage and making accidental contact - a scenario which nearly always gets punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) Why was he moving to block a cross with his arms out in front of him? Â Far more intent in the hand ball than jumping for a high ball and using arms for leverage and making accidental contact - a scenario which nearly always gets punished.He wasn't, the ball went over his head and he simply turned round Edited October 1, 2013 by Edstar101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 He wasn't, the ball went over his head and he simply turned round Think we were watching a different game..... Â Came over his head, he turned round, and was looking at Muzz as he headed it, and clearly blocked it with his hand in front of him. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scobby_SJFC Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Still think he's turned around and is not deliberate, Millar's is not a penalty in a million years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Still think he's turned around and is not deliberate, Millar's is not a penalty in a million years   agreed about Millar's.  Wasn't much of a dive though - fair challenge, lost his balance, had a cheeky look at the ref.  I'm not saying that the other one was deliberate, but surely it is still 'ball to hand' if he leads with his arms - a defender shouldn't have his hands in that position when defending.  I honestly believe that it shouldn't be a penalty, but I've seen these given time after time after time (not to us of course).  It has to be about consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 They dont have a clue about consistency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 agreed about Millar's. Â Wasn't much of a dive though - fair challenge, lost his balance, had a cheeky look at the ref. Â I'm not saying that the other one was deliberate, but surely it is still 'ball to hand' if he leads with his arms - a defender shouldn't have his hands in that position when defending. Â I honestly believe that it shouldn't be a penalty, but I've seen these given time after time after time (not to us of course). Â It has to be about consistency.As I said, I have also seen them given, and hate it. The problem with the consistency argument is that a bad decision or a mistake is then compounded on the grounds of 'consistency'...two wrongs don't make a right and all that.We need to stop bleeting on about consistency...when a penalty is not given in one game then is compared to a similar incident in a game three weeks previous etc. It only puts more pressure on refs. Let them ref each game as a stand alone event. Cut out all the 'this offence must be a booking...this offence must be a sending of' etc...let the ref decide if the circumstances individual to that incident warrants a course of action.In a similar fashion, the legal system is tied in knots due to precedence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 If it had not hit his hand it would have hit his chest. He did jump in a very strange way but he had decided to put his arm there before he knew where the ball was going to be coming back at him from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) We're decided then...no penalty Edited October 1, 2013 by Edstar101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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