ryangordon86 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Commentators said as much last night on ESPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Just saw the Vine yellow card again. Myself and the ref were both wrong. It was a pretty clear trip by Magennis on Vine. Ridiculous. His goal celebration more than made up for it i reckon. Ref was wrong, but I'd rather he got that wrong than some other result altering decision. apart from that one decision he had a decent game. I thought the new guy looked really composed, and clearly had an intent to try and score on his debut - can't criticise that type of attitude. I think he'll be an asset for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Wallace Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 His goal celebration more than made up for it i reckon. Ref was wrong, but I'd rather he got that wrong than some other result altering decision. apart from that one decision he had a decent game. I thought the new guy looked really composed, and clearly had an intent to try and score on his debut - can't criticise that type of attitude. I think he'll be an asset for the rest of the season. felt really sorry for Vine. When we were all shouting "cheat, cheat" at the ref, Rowan thought we were having a go at him and he looked quite upset. Hope someone put him right. I presume they did given his reaction to the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints4lyfe Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Big Fraser was brilliant. Solid as a rock. Hopefully his contract gets sorted soon. Edited January 31, 2013 by saints4lyfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Big Fraser was brilliant. Solid as a rock. Hopefully his contract gets sorted soon. I believe I heard Lomas saying they were going to take up the option for another year with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Wallace Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Big Fraser was brilliant. Solid as a rock. Hopefully his contract gets sorted soon. agree, but we need another decent centre-half beside him. It ain't Ando or McCracken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 agree, but we need another decent centre-half beside him. It ain't Ando or McCracken. Wright and Anderson would do for me in the middle of defence.........If Ando can regain last season's form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 agree, but we need another decent centre-half beside him. It ain't Ando or McCracken. I will say this again (and again, and again), Ando is the best Centre Half we have at the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I will say this again (and again, and again), Ando is the best Centre Half we have at the club You remind me of him in defense..........A Bomb Scare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I will say this again (and again, and again), Ando is the best Centre Half we have at the club I think I agree but I dont think he is the most consistent. Am I the only one and I think I am that is concerned at the amount of goals we have conceded from cross balls this year? That should be a basic function for a centre half, defending cross balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think I agree but I dont think he is the most consistent. Am I the only one and I think I am that is concerned at the amount of goals we have conceded from cross balls this year? That should be a basic function for a centre half, defending cross balls. I would have said the onus is on the full backs to stop the crosses coming in. On our defence it is worth noting that we actually have the 3rd best defensive record in the SPL behind Celtic and Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I would have said the onus is on the full backs to stop the crosses coming in. On our defence it is worth noting that we actually have the 3rd best defensive record in the SPL behind Celtic and Hearts I agree that some of the onus is on others to stop crosses coming in but they wont stop every cross. Last night was a prime example. Callum dived in but when the ball comes across it goes right past McCracken without any effort to deal with it. I can almost forgive that one because it was a very good ball but there are many examples, Hearts and Utd to name but two where some basic defending would have seen us win those games. irogueagona 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I will say this again (and again, and again), Ando is the best Centre Half we have at the club Too inconsistent for me,Frazer Wright Wright Wright is the man ANDY5565 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Excellent win. Mackays goal was ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Frazer Wright is clearly our best centre half, solid and brave, an absolute hero in my eyes. I'd personally rather have Anderson beside him than McCracken. Ando is liable to rash challenges and you're guaranteed one poor performance a month but McCracken gives me heart attacks on the ball and most of the crosses into our box sees him losing his man, very poor in that respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Frazer Wright is clearly our best centre half, solid and brave, an absolute hero in my eyes. I'd personally rather have Anderson beside him than McCracken. Ando is liable to rash challenges and you're guaranteed one poor performance a month but I agree with the parts i've copied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I agree with the parts i've copied Yup. He's certainly cut back on the "lunges" these days. But watch the highlights of the Dundee United game at Tannadice this season, McCracken loses his man every time, since then I've made a point of watching him at set pieces and balls in the box. And quite frankly he's a liability in these situations. Anderson is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Well I agreed that Anderson is the better player, and you could well be right RE McCracken and marking, but I think he is a decent back-up for a club of saints' size. Wright and Ando are a good defence definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Well I agreed that Anderson is the better player, and you could well be right RE McCracken and marking, but I think he is a decent back-up for a club of saints' size. Wright and Ando are a good defence definitely Yeah McCrackens a brilliant back up to have for a club our size, hugely experienced and good enough to play SPL football. But Anderson's slightly better. In truth we'd have a central defender alongside Wright who was reliable, strong and pacey. But we'll never have a player like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Frazer Wright is clearly our best centre half, solid and brave, an absolute hero in my eyes. I'd personally rather have Anderson beside him than McCracken. Ando is liable to rash challenges and you're guaranteed one poor performance a month but McCracken gives me heart attacks on the ball and most of the crosses into our box sees him losing his man, very poor in that respect McCracken IS Bombscare. Martin O'Neill made Bobo Balde a Champions League player and he was no better than Ando! Ando never pretends to be Messi. I am happy to see him slog it into row Z every week, (exactly what my old man used to say made John Greig a legend although he hated Rangers) and to be honest I think he is even madder than Wright and would have already ran through the brick wall before Wright arrived... Apart from Miller I dont like to cricise a Saintee but McCracken is boufin' and only really good enough to watch playing at centre half in a Dundde jersey... against us. Dave Mackay is worthy of his extension and the decison not to give Calum Davidson another year is a another weaknes Lomas has exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Wallace Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) I will say this again (and again, and again), Ando is the best Centre Half we have at the club I agree with you on most things Ed, but not on this. You go too far. Ando is gash. Cracks isn't much better, my granny's walking stick would make a better centre half than either of them, or indeed both of them were you to tie them togather in a three legged race type thing. Edited February 1, 2013 by Jimmy Wallace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Anderson and Wright are the best no doubt. Wright shades it and has a great attitude. I thought when McCraken arrived he was going to be a great signing but he's been a bit disappointing imo. Although he deserves much respect for coming back early and playing with a broken face! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly78 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Wright is our most effective centre half no doubt. You only have to look at the number of goals we lost from crosses, set pieces etc, when he was out last season as evidence. Ando has regressed this season but I'd still much prefer him in there to McCracken. For such a big guy, I've never seen someone be bullied and pushed off the ball so easily. He also seems to struggle to get off the ground and constantly seems to get caught on the back foot/appears hesitant to actually attack the ball. Throw in the number of times he seems to get caught under the ball at free kicks, crosses etc, along with his shocking distribution that puts us under pressure constantly (yes, I know Ando and Wright are guilty of this as well) and I think he's probably our weakest link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Hearing that St Mirrens first was down to McCracken losing out to his man at a cross. Anyone able to confirm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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