Yes Or Naw?

[rammsteinally]

bettter leader than labour gort

[saint sid]

Some YES voters must have actually believed they were going to win, incredible. 

how did the vote go in dundee?

[Gort]

bettter leader than labour gort

Two poor choices for me.

[Gort]

how did the vote go in dundee?

All I seen in Dundee was YES posters in the windows, hardly anyone at all had NO posters up. Dundee and Glasgow for NO, the other two for yes. As I said before I never for a minute thought the vote would be close, the bookies had it right all along with 1-4 for a NO vote. Bookies know more than pollsters.

[saintee4life]

well you share a similar tendency to avoid difficult questions? So straight one which you avoided before holocaust happened yes or no?

just following a trend on here. Remind me of the question

[saint sid]

All I seen in Dundee was YES posters in the windows, hardly anyone at all had NO posters up. Dundee and Glasgow for NO, the other two for yes. As I said before I never for a minute thought the vote would be close, the bookies had it right all along with 1-4 for a NO vote. Bookies know more than pollsters.

some tory guy down south had £800,000 on a no vote hence the short price, the bookies balance the books and the only poll i voted in was on here and you can see the result.

 

did you never for a minute think the vote would be close in dundee?

do you think 55% - 45% is not close?

did you think you would win the scottish cup last year?

[Gort]

some tory guy down south had £800,000 on a no vote hence the short price, the bookies balance the books and the only poll i voted in was on here and you can see the result.

 

did you never for a minute think the vote would be close in dundee?

do you think 55% - 45% is not close?

did you think you would win the scottish cup last year?

1.Not in Dundee, the silliest city in Scotland by the look of things.

2.Not nearly close enough, hundreds of thousands in it.

3.Wwe were favourites but we have already won it.

[saint sid]

3.Wwe were favourites 

not surprised you stuttered there

[Denzil]

Right, I’ll get the blunderbuss out and hit a few topics at once.

 

Europe: We never had a referendum to join/ratify the formation of the EU – we weren’t allowed one (1993). We had a referendum in 1975 to join the EEC, which was a different beast compared to the EU behemoth. I’m not a fan of the EU and would happily leave it. Purely my own opinion, but EFTA is what we should have been looking at all along.

 

Another indy ref: That is one particular option for achieving independence through the ballot box. There are other ways to skin a cat however. I personally don’t think we will go down that route, but if there is another referendum, I can see it being within the next 6 years.

 

Religion: forget the atom bomb, religion is the most dangerous and destructive of mankind’s creations. “Religion” is just another word for “cult”.

 

Flower of Scotland: cringeworthy before the referendum, plain embarrassing now.

 

UKIP: The average Tory member is 72. That's why they're turning into UKIP - you become more right-wing as you get older... and more demented.

 

 

[blueheaven]

there is no such thing as islamaphobia.it is the right of every individual to question a religion which claims to be peaceful and yet is responsible for more terror attacks than any other.In the Islamic world women are treated as second class citizens and are bound by ancient laws that have no place in a modern world.If anything islam has a phobia of anything that isn't islamic

 

So you think there is no one in the world who hates or fears Islam or Muslims? You honestly believe that? If you do, you're either very naive or you're just plain lying to yourself.

 

Of course everyone has the right to question a religion. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that on here.

 

Ironically, I think quite a few people on here would probably argue that your own views have "no place in a modern world".

[saintee4life]

So you think there is no one in the world who hates or fears Islam or Muslims? You honestly believe that? If you do, you're either very naive or you're just plain lying to yourself.

Of course everyone has the right to question a religion. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that on here.

Ironically, I think quite a few people on here would probably argue that your own views have "no place in a modern world".

where did I say no one hates muslims? If my views have no place in a modern world then there is a helluva lot more like me.

[saintee4life]

Right, I’ll get the blunderbuss out and hit a few topics at once.

Europe: We never had a referendum to join/ratify the formation of the EU – we weren’t allowed one (1993). We had a referendum in 1975 to join the EEC, which was a different beast compared to the EU behemoth. I’m not a fan of the EU and would happily leave it. Purely my own opinion, but EFTA is what we should have been looking at all along.

Another indy ref: That is one particular option for achieving independence through the ballot box. There are other ways to skin a cat however. I personally don’t think we will go down that route, but if there is another referendum, I can see it being within the next 6 years.

Religion: forget the atom bomb, religion is the most dangerous and destructive of mankind’s creations. “Religion” is just another word for “cult”.

Flower of Scotland: cringeworthy before the referendum, plain embarrassing now.

UKIP: The average Tory member is 72. That's why they're turning into UKIP - you become more right-wing as you get older... and more demented.

Denzil good post. You're wee bit at the end isn't entirely true not all old people are demented my old man is coming up 84 and he's still as sharp as a tac. You're comment about becoming more right wing rings true. Afterall if you're not a socialist by the time you are 20 you don't have a heart and if you're not a conservative by the time you are 40 you don't have a brain

[AthensSaint]

So there is hope for sixties saint yet. 

UKIP: The average Tory member is 72. That's why they're turning into UKIP - you become more right-wing as you get older...

[ancientsaint]

Its OK PANIC OVER -------Gordon Brown to take over from Joann Lamont ----The country is feckin doomed I tell ye doomed.

[Gort]

Right, I’ll get the blunderbuss out and hit a few topics at once.

 

Europe: We never had a referendum to join/ratify the formation of the EU – we weren’t allowed one (1993). We had a referendum in 1975 to join the EEC, which was a different beast compared to the EU behemoth. I’m not a fan of the EU and would happily leave it. Purely my own opinion, but EFTA is what we should have been looking at all along.

 

Another indy ref: That is one particular option for achieving independence through the ballot box. There are other ways to skin a cat however. I personally don’t think we will go down that route, but if there is another referendum, I can see it being within the next 6 years.

 

Religion: forget the atom bomb, religion is the most dangerous and destructive of mankind’s creations. “Religion” is just another word for “cult”.

 

Flower of Scotland: cringeworthy before the referendum, plain embarrassing now.

 

UKIP: The average Tory member is 72. That's why they're turning into UKIP - you become more right-wing as you get older... and more demented.

Why have another referendum, the people have chosen. 

[ancientsaint]

Why have another referendum, the people have chosen. 

 

 

The people of Scotland did indeed chose - but what the politicians in Westminster failed to predict was that the people of England now want to have a similar vote and THAT could see an independent Scotland slip in without having to vote.

 

The doors have been opened and the whole affair will not rest.

 

Gordon Brown and his followers can argue all they want but Englands MPs now want to (rightly) vote on matters concerning England and have no interference from Scottish MPs at Westminster on those matters -Brown does not agree to that because he knows Labour need Scottish MPs to save Labour - He cannot have 2 slices of cake OR he will end up fat.

[AthensSaint]

 He cannot have 2 slices of cake OR he will end up fat.

Not a problem, Season Tickets at Starks Park are cheap...he could afford two.

[Hubands House]

What was the pub in the 80s that we went to when we got of the train near starks park ?

Sorry just woke up..  

[AthensSaint]

What was the pub in the 80s that we went to when we got of the train near starks park ?

Sorry just woke up..  

starks park bar

[slf]

What was the pub in the 80s that we went to when we got of the train near starks park ?

Sorry just woke up..  

 

 

windmill

[Denzil]

Why have another referendum, the people have chosen.

By that rationale, why have a general election next year? The people made their choice the last time.

[Gort]

By that rationale, why have a general election next year? The people made their choice the last time.

It's law to have a general election every four or five years. Referenda are usually once in a generation, or longer.

[Brogan]

It's law to have a general election every four or five years. Referenda are usually once in a generation, or longer.

 

Given how misleading you were about winning majority for ‘No’ and referendum voting percentages, I can't leave unchallenged your earlier claim that there won't be another referendum for 25-30 years, and this one that referendums are 'usually once in a generation or longer’.

 

I think most referendums on the same topic actually take place at far more frequent intervals. Licensing referendums were repeated in Wales every seven years until the 1970s; and Portuguese abortion referendums took place seven years apart. There have been three status referendums in Costa Rica in the last 21 years and two Chilean constitutional referendums in the space of 24 months. Even the two famous Quebec referendums on the same subject were only 15 years apart.

 

In fact, even if we were to be generous and concede that mere 19-year gap between our own devolution referendums qualifies as a 'generation or longer', I’m struggling to think of other examples.

 

But I'm sure, as you made the claim, you'll have evidence to back it up? 

[Denzil]

It's law to have a general election every four or five years. Referenda are usually once in a generation, or longer.

That's the maximum term. There are plenty examples of electons being held before the due date. In fact, let's not forget that in 1974 we had TWO General Elections. The time between referenda will be determined by the people but, as I have already said, I do not believe we will go down the referendum route again unless the people demand it.

A much simpler option is available which would result in independence on our terms, not Westminster's. That requires a lot of work in the interim, but is achievable.

[south inch]

That's the maximum term. There are plenty examples of electons being held before the due date. In fact, let's not forget that in 1974 we had TWO General Elections. The time between referenda will be determined by the people but, as I have already said, I do not believe we will go down the referendum route again unless the people demand it.

A much simpler option is available which would result in independence on our terms, not Westminster's. That requires a lot of work in the interim, but is achievable.

 

Hope I don't get told off by Brogan for poor research but is Westminster not now on 5 year fixed term election intervals?  I also think the Scottish Parliament is on 4 year fixed terms but the election due in 2015 was put back to 2016 (by agreement?) because of the clash with the first Westminster fixed term election in 2015.  I presume there is provision for elections outwith the fixed term periods if there are exceptional circumstances since that is common sense but I do not know if this is the case or how exceptional circumstances might be defined.  I do, of course, know that few politicians have common sense.