Rise of the Tories...........

[Abernethy Saint]

Broadly agree, but puzzled why you think Saint Nicky is going anywhere. She's the only party leader who actually won the election, despite the best efforts of Scotland's two Tory parties,

[Smarmy Arab]

 

To me the message for the main political parties now is to avoid being proactive in calling for another election or referendum for the next few years.  The public are pissed off with elections and will punish any party that does not realise this.  Jeremy is astute enough to pick up on this hence his offer to form a Government in one breath whilst saying in the next that he won't form any alliances to do so.  In the unlikely event that he is invited to have a go he can then claim any failure will not be his fault.

The "Toarays" on the other hand have been handed a get out of jail card by Nicola's Indyref2 miscalculation in the shape of 13 seats they would be snookered without.  Theresa will do penance for her balls up by staying in post for a few months before resigning on health grounds to let someone else have a go.  Not Boris unless they really are stupid.  The DUP are being used, but they can afford to be since their vote depends on which foot you kick with not on any sensible analvsis.  The Toarays hope will be if these efforts run into the sand they can blame someone else for forcing yet another election and then cross their fingers.

So Theresa's bum is out the window.  The only question is will she outlast Nicola as wee Eck made his intentions clear in his remarks this morning.

About nail it there SI.

[Abernethy Saint]

 

Now you are just at it!

Seriously, heard Sillars on the radio this evening he did not miss Mrs Murrell, seems her conduct is becoming increasingly secretive and dictatorial.

You put May back in Downing Street, supported by the Rangers Party. Scotland's twin shames.

[slf]

 

You put May back in Downing Street, supported by the Rangers Party. Scotland's twin shames.

Too much booze chief yer fantasies are being revealed.best snooze it off .

[Smarmy Arab]

 

You put May back in Downing Street, supported by the Rangers Party. Scotland's twin shames.

Labour denied May a majority by winning seats across the map.  The first minister has made several major mistakes over the last while, and handed Ruth Davidson a major boost during the debate.  I'm not for a second writing her off she is an impressive politician in many ways, but she is going through the toughest challenge of her career at the moment.   Did you hear Sillars? 

[Abernethy Saint]

Why would I hear Sillars? He stopped speaking for the SNP decades ago. Did you hear Farage?

Why did you put May in Downing Street?

[PanamaSaint]

Its all these rural village idiots ruining Scottish politics. More English in Scone than Scots I reckon.

[Smarmy Arab]

 

Why would I hear Sillars? He stopped speaking for the SNP decades ago. Did you hear Farage?

Why did you put May in Downing Street?

 

 

 

Why would you? That's a different question.  I just asked if you did, he made some viceral criticisms, you appear to have your fingers in your ears giving it la la la.....whilst repeating party propaganda about red toareez.  Ironically Sillars (and many others) have argued that under sturgeon's leadership, there is little or no room for dissent, worse even than under Salmond.  

Salmond can argue that it was under his leadership he took a pressure group of nationalist activists, battle reinactors, romantics and malcontented anglophonic tossers and shaped them into a credible party of government.  He watched Blairs new labour knock the labour party into an all conquering political machine with iron discipline, dispensing with debate and party democracy, replacing them with iron discipline and party whips who operated like flame throwers in the lobbies.  Much like Blair, this is fine when a presidential leadership fly around in helicopters and elections are won.  Salmond certainly delivered, and turned the snp into a formidable political machine and the natural party of government.  

2007 first administration, 2012, landslide (no mean feat under stv), and a similar dominant presence in local government....then delivered the indy ref.  Remarkable list of achievements in a short space of time.

Sturgeon certainly impressed throughout this period and developed into a central character in the party machinery, out shining even salmond  in the ref campaign, and then the astonishing victory in 2015. Since then considerable ground has been lost. Facing a pincer dynamic, sturgeon's snp are now attacked from left and right, and hemorrhaging votes at an alarming rate, to the tories! Just like the Blairites the party will forgive them anything when the party is winning......conversely judgements are harsh when the machine is misfiring.

Still kezia....Red toareez....the English....blah, blah blah.

[Abernethy Saint]

What have the English got to do with it? What's a toareez? You're havering, man. You lost. Again, despite campaigning for the Tories. Suck it up.

Anyway, this is boring now. Let's can it until the next election......which might be quite soon!

[Smarmy Arab]

So no talking points at all, snp won, Jerry Corbyn and Labour won the election for May....

But most of all do not ever criticise the cult....especially to an unbeliever!  

QED my friend!

[saintj]

The SNP won up in Scotland but you can't seriously say losing 21 seats is any other kind of victory than a hollow 1. Sure they got the most seats but we have to be real about it. I say that as a member of the SNP, not that it matters.

 

However, I still don't know what policies Ruth Davidson has apart from screaming at the top of her lungs how much she hates the SNP and independence. Seriously, every single leaflet received, including the council election leaflets, was all about opposing independence and literally nothing else. 

[Smarmy Arab]

The tories were toxic in Scotland until the last decade.  The collapse of labour left a vacuum and the tories were always going to fill that gap.  You are spot on with the paucity of substance re their policies, they had only one, opposition to indy ref2,  a strategy handed to them on a plate by the monumental stupidity of the snp. Sturgeon ignored all the polls, even her own so that she could stand in front of the clapping seals at the annual rally and raise her skirts to Abernethy and Co,  and promise 'an 2nd referendumb' to howls of delerium and collective jizzing in pants.  All the available evidence demonstrates that 70% of the population were pig sick of this constitutional wrangling....Ruth Davidson could exploit this fact, and body did she ever!  Sturgeon dropped the ball again, with her little show of petulant clypery in the live debate 48 hours before the election. Once again, handing a gift to Davidson....because she knew corbyn's labour were gaining fast, and kicking labour in the urban areas was the only option as the rural hinterland, was already going to the tories.  As a result of these Scottish seats Teresa May is clinging to power....snp doing the work of the tories, as ****ing usual. Bottom line is the snp prefer tory governments, so that they can pile up the greviences  with no regard for the devastating consequences for millions across these island, no price too high, no pain too great.

Mercifully we will get a chance to install a labour government by the end of the year, and kick out the tories and repay the nationalists for their rank stupidity.

 

[south inch]

 

.

Anyway, this is boring now. Let's can it until the next election......which might be quite soon!

Good point Abernethy.  Some light reading for you meantime whilst listening to "Bonnie Dundee" might be the campaigns against Rome of Pyrrhus of Epirus circa 279/275 BC. 

[Smarmy Arab]

Two things South Inch; he doesn't listen, and there is nothing 'bonnie' about me or Dundee!

[slf]

 

The tories were toxic in Scotland until the last decade.  The collapse of labour left a vacuum and the tories were always going to fill that gap.  You are spot on with the paucity of substance re their policies, they had only one, opposition to indy ref2,  a strategy handed to them on a plate by the monumental stupidity of the snp. Sturgeon ignored all the polls, even her own so that she could stand in front of the clapping seals at the annual rally and raise her skirts to Abernethy and Co,  and promise 'an 2nd referendumb' to howls of delerium and collective jizzing in pants.  All the available evidence demonstrates that 70% of the population were pig sick of this constitutional wrangling....Ruth Davidson could exploit this fact, and body did she ever!  Sturgeon dropped the ball again, with her little show of petulant clypery in the live debate 48 hours before the election. Once again, handing a gift to Davidson....because she knew corbyn's labour were gaining fast, and kicking labour in the urban areas was the only option as the rural hinterland, was already going to the tories.  As a result of these Scottish seats Teresa May is clinging to power....snp doing the work of the tories, as ****ing usual. Bottom line is the snp prefer tory governments, so that they can pile up the greviences  with no regard for the devastating consequences for millions across these island, no price too high, no pain too great.

Mercifully we will get a chance to install a labour government by the end of the year, and kick out the tories and repay the nationalists for their rank stupidity.

 

I agree.

we don't call the snp tartan tories for nothing.

[HOODLUM65]

Deal with 10 DUP members, a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Theresa's arch enemy Michael Gove (the guy who screwed up the Education system over a 4yr period ) added to her cabinet.

Does she know what she's doing?

The long knives are out to get her.

[garydavidson]

 

The tories were toxic in Scotland until the last decade.  The collapse of labour left a vacuum and the tories were always going to fill that gap.  You are spot on with the paucity of substance re their policies, they had only one, opposition to indy ref2,  a strategy handed to them on a plate by the monumental stupidity of the snp. Sturgeon ignored all the polls, even her own so that she could stand in front of the clapping seals at the annual rally and raise her skirts to Abernethy and Co,  and promise 'an 2nd referendumb' to howls of delerium and collective jizzing in pants.  All the available evidence demonstrates that 70% of the population were pig sick of this constitutional wrangling....Ruth Davidson could exploit this fact, and body did she ever!  Sturgeon dropped the ball again, with her little show of petulant clypery in the live debate 48 hours before the election. Once again, handing a gift to Davidson....because she knew corbyn's labour were gaining fast, and kicking labour in the urban areas was the only option as the rural hinterland, was already going to the tories.  As a result of these Scottish seats Teresa May is clinging to power....snp doing the work of the tories, as ****ing usual. Bottom line is the snp prefer tory governments, so that they can pile up the greviences  with no regard for the devastating consequences for millions across these island, no price too high, no pain too great.

Mercifully we will get a chance to install a labour government by the end of the year, and kick out the tories and repay the nationalists for their rank stupidity.

 

Not to get in the way of your bromance with AS but are you happy with the performance of your party in Scotland?

If I were a supporter of them I would be wanting to see heads rolling. How can you have a leader in Scotland who is so publicly against the leader of the party? At least Ruth has one policy Dugdale has zero, or maybe minus with all her flip flopping.

I do agree Indyref2 was brought up at the wrong point but the only reason the Tories won so many seats up here is because Labour were pathetic in offering an alternative to the SNP in Scotland. You maybe having fun winding AS up but is that just to cover your own sadness in another political whipping? 

[babychunder]

A pyrrhic victory for the SNP. Also a lesson to Sturgeon, that forcing her agenda (independence) on an electorate that already said "no" is a sure fire way to lose votes.

If there is another election, I wonder if the Labour party will be bold enough to campaign on a "Remain" ticket.

[Ali91]

 

Now you are just at it!

Seriously, heard Sillars on the radio this evening he did not miss Mrs Murrell, seems her conduct is becoming increasingly secretive and dictatorial.

Absolutely no surprise to see a bitter britnat resorting to casual sexism. 

[Smarmy Arab]

 

Absolutely no surprise to see a bitter britnat resorting to casual sexism. 

I kind of see your point here regarding casual sexism, this was mot my intention.  I was rather clumsily using the term 'Mrs Murrel' to highlight the one of the central criticisms of Sturgeon made by Jim Sillars  (and others) ....that the SNP is now effectively being run  by a married couple, who are increasingly secretive and dictatorial, such an unhealthy dynamic is now beginning to erode confidence in the leadership.

Well done for getting 'Bitter Britat' in though, such assertions make it easy to identify who is bitter this morning. Maybe you'd better come over as less bitter if you address the issues being discussed.

Edited June 13, 2017 by Smarmy Arab

[slf]

 

Absolutely no surprise to see a bitter britnat resorting to casual sexism. 

I ken what casual sexism is ,always wear a johnny.

what the fuq is 'britnat' smarty pants 

[Smarmy Arab]

 

Not to get in the way of your bromance with AS but are you happy with the performance of your party in Scotland?

If I were a supporter of them I would be wanting to see heads rolling. How can you have a leader in Scotland who is so publicly against the leader of the party? At least Ruth has one policy Dugdale has zero, or maybe minus with all her flip flopping.

I do agree Indyref2 was brought up at the wrong point but the only reason the Tories won so many seats up here is because Labour were pathetic in offering an alternative to the SNP in Scotland. You maybe having fun winding AS up but is that just to cover your own sadness in another political whipping? 

Er?  No.  The Labour vote held up well, indeed it increased.  Their only MP from 2015 increased his majority from a couple of hundred to 15 thousand, and labour increased its seat haul by 600%.  The big story was the Tories around rural Scotland returning to the fold and deserting the SNP in droves   

Even more encouraging for labour is an additional 6 seats now hanging by a thread with snp majorities ranging from 10 to 400., and several others clearly in play.  The only reason Labour did not add another 10+ seats is probably due to elements of West Central Scotland voting tory due to the continued deformity of Scottish politics by the indy debate.  But things could take a turn, whereby the British nationalists of the tories and the Scottish nationalists of the snp cancel each other out and labour benefit by sticking to real political activity, not the emotional clap trap peddled by flag shagging nationalists. 

Kezia has had a difficult job to do, 2015 was the nadir for scottish labour, predicted meltdown and disintegration has not occurred, actually labour are back in the game! She was critical of corbyn, lots of people have been and with sound reason, this is not a reason for resignation, the labour party is and always has been a democratic mix; socialists, social Democrats, progressIves,  Christians, trades unions and others. They pay a terrible electoral price for this, as division is a constant impediment to success in ofiice and effective opposition, but I much prefer democratic debate to the anti democratic structure of the the Tories or the snp.  The snp no longer have a constitution....just a message from 'Nicola'.  They have outlawed dissent from within their ranks with an quasi trotskite structure of 'democratic' centralism with enforced centralisation of power and technocratic managerialism squeezing the debate out of the party structures (just as Blair did).  I suppose it depends how you like your politics........maybe nationalists prefer this follow the flag shyte, rather than real debate.....I don't.  After the initial shock of the results on Thursday, I note with increasing amusement that the nationalists have quickly reverted to type, and appear hell bent on continuing the incessant demand for indy ref 2/3/4/5...this coupled with continued drip drip of bad news from the public services means they are set to lose more ground....they have learned nothing, if they continue to treat the electorate with such utter contempt they will sink ....Kezia Dugdale as next first minister?.....the vehement anger of the Nats at this prospect is palpable, not as ridiculous as it may have sounded this time a year ago!

Edited June 13, 2017 by Smarmy Arab

[sixties saintee]

Got told on Sunday that Calumn Gillies got beat by a tory, a tory in Letham what the feck is going on.

[babychunder]

 

Got told on Sunday that Calumn Gillies got beat by a tory, a tory in Letham what the feck is going on.

Must have become gentrified since we left eh Tam?

[sixties saintee]

 

Must have become gentrified since we left eh Tam?

Had a wee trip round Sunday don't think so