Kaylor88 Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Is this thread about the best manager to have managed Saints, or the best Saints manager, Two different questions? As i said before, Coyle is the best manager to have managed Saints, wasn't around for Ormonds Era so impossible to judge him. Best Saints manager would have to be Sturrock. Made the best Saints team of my era, although Clark done wonders with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepless Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 It's WILLIE Ormond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Bar Toilet Attendant Posted December 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Is this thread about the best manager to have managed Saints, or the best Saints manager, Two different questions? As i said before, Coyle is the best manager to have managed Saints, wasn't around for Ormonds Era so impossible to judge him. Best Saints manager would have to be Sturrock. Made the best Saints team of my era, although Clark done wonders with it I was asking who is the Best Manager to have managed Saints, but I'm enjoying the debate! Sturrock did well down south, Totten took Falkirk to Scottish Cup Final and Ormond lead Scotland to the World Cup. I think what Owen Coyle has achieved makes him the Best Manager to have lead Saints but not the Best Saints Manager! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Totten was a failure - he had more money to spend than any team outwith the Old Firm as we had McDiarmid built for us. Sturrock for me or Ormond - but he wasn't my era. Hibs, Hearts, United, Aberdeen were all spending more than us at the time. All the clubs had more cash for transfers before the Bosman ruling kicked in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 I think what Owen Coyle has achieved makes him the Best Manager to have lead Saints but not the Best Saints Manager! alex rennie was better with a part time side easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wish i was Joe McGurn Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 alex rennie was better with a part time side easily. True, with a board full of clowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltrane Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Willie Ormond...must be they named a stand after him..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Luggy or Totten. Great football and some great players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevensan Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Incidentally, on the other debate, it was clearly Clark who got us into Europe, but unfortunately a lot of people seem unable to admit that purely because he's since shown himself to be a bit of a t***. It's a shame people seem unable to differentiate between the man and his achievements (achievements which the bulk of Saints fans were more than happy to credit him with at the time). I agree to some extent with this. Sturrock built a very solid team, but they lacked ideas going forward, were very defensively minded and struggled to break teams down, especially at home. Clark came in and took the same bunch of players, but allowed them to play more attacking football. I remember the first game he took charge of was a 4-0 demolition of Hibs. I remember sitting in the freezing cold at Rugby Park, as O'Boyle, Lowndes, Kane and Kernaghan played total football (with Saints fans singing 'Championees' and tore Killie apart, only to concede two late soft goals. This kind of summed up Clark, in that his teams would attack, but he payed less attention to the teamwork and defensive aspects. Over time, as players left, the spirit and organisation that Sturrock had worked so hard on was lost, and an average team started playing like one, ultimately resulting in relegation. Sturrock put in the ground work, built a strong team spirit and defensive base, but Clark took that, gave them confidence to attack, and ultimately, allowed them the freedom to take us to Europe... would that have happened under Sturrock? I doubt it, as his team was too conservative. Would we have been relegated a few years later under Sturrock? Probably not, as we'd have continued on as a conservative, hard to beat, middle of the road side. I would take Vaasa and Monaco any day over boring 1-0 wins for season after season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgendboy Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 1st Willie Ormond - best footballing team I have seen 2nd Paul Sturrock - best organised team I have seen 3rd Alex Totten/Owen Coyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 :laugh: What a splendid argument you put forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby kemp Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 What a splendid argument you put forward. :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Willie Ormond...built a saints team that played great football. Solid defence and bags of attacking flair. We could compete with a very good Celtic side and regularly outplayed Rangers at Muirton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSAINTEE99 Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 Willie Ormond the most entertaing free flowing football Saints side I've seen cfompeting with the most entertaing free flowing football Celtic side I've seen. Great wee rn in Europe against three quality clubs and a Cup Final defeat 1-0 against recent European Champions in front of 70,000. Maximum points in a League Cup group including an 8-1 win at Partick, and home and away against Dundee (6 games in August, 6 wins). Managed and nurtured Saints greatest ever player in John Connolly and gave all of us who remember the greatest period on the terracing including no fear of the old firm. In full agreement with the above - consistently outplayed both the old firm in the days of Jock Stein - only other Scottish manager to do this is in my lifetime is Alex Ferguson. Mind you Bobby Brown desreves a mention for what he did for Scottish football fans after he left Saints! I remember where I was when I heard the 1967 game on the radio and we became World champions by beating Alf Ramsey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 Willie Ormond...built a saints team that played great football. Solid defence and bags of attacking flair. We could compete with a very good Celtic side and regularly outplayed Rangers at Muirton. Beat me to it, the man was God to go to old firm grounds and pass them off the park was unbelieable, have we done it since, would like to think we did / could, Willie inspired belief, that is what we have to instill in our present team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjfc_camo Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 Sandy Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Bru Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 How can anyone who knows anything about football say anyone other than Willie Ormond??!! I would go Ormond - Sturrock - Brown - Totten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepless Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 just out of interest, how many of Ormond's squad were Perth or Perthshire boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come On Ye Saints Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Sandy Sandy give us a wave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 How can anyone who knows anything about football say anyone other than Willie Ormond??!! I would go Ormond - Sturrock - Brown - Totten I can't see why anyone who was born post-Ormond would pick him as our best ever manager. He won the same as any other Manager in our history... Feck All. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry Curran's Love child Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 For me: Sturrock by a country mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEccles621 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Can only comment from Bobby Brown onwards: Willie Ormond by a landslide. then...... Paul Sturrock Bobby Brown Alex Totten Sandy Clark (for THAT season - though much down to Sturrock) Owen Coyle Del Alex Rennie then (equally iffy)..... Jim Storrie Alex Stuart Ian Gibson Billy Stark then - the worst of all...... John Connolly (though it pains me to say that as he is otherwise a LEGEND) McLelland (what a nightmare!) and - at the fery bottom....... Jackie Stewart (for destroying a brilliant Ormond team and being in charge during our worst ever top-flight season) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Can only comment from Bobby Brown onwards: Willie Ormond by a landslide. then...... Paul Sturrock Bobby Brown Alex Totten Sandy Clark (for THAT season - though much down to Sturrock) Owen Coyle Del Alex Rennie Out of interest - why Coyle ahead of Del? Surely Del has done a better job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEccles621 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Out of interest - why Coyle ahead of Del? Surely Del has done a better job? Fair point - that's a difficult call. In many ways, I'd say there's not much to choose between them - though, as you're hinting, Del took Saints up while Owen didn't. Dunno really - I think I (generally) enjoyed the type of football we played more under Owen - though Del's team has definitely had it's (many) moments over the last couple of years. Maybe I'm blinded by one of my favourite ever matches as a Saintee - under Owen - the 2-0 win at Ibrox (I enjoyed it even more than the 4-1 humping last season). TBH, I could honestly happily swap the two of them round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
541ntees Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 i can only comment from Totten onwards. as the original post stated its best manager NOT best saints manager therfore the only option for me is Coyle - unless anyone has managed at the level he is doing at present? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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