Paul N Shark Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Successive Governments down South have frittered away massive revenue from the Scottish sector of the North Sea , an industry that should have been mainly state owned like Norway. The only reason the Labour Party are for a NO vote is to protect there percentage of Parliament seats from Scottish MPs in Westminster , nothing else because they know if they lose them the Tories will be very hard to oust at any election. I work with lads from all over the UK and the ones from Liverpool, Manchester, Middlesbrough , Newcastle, Hull and parts of Wales are no different from myself, fed up of everything being centred on London and the Home Counties. I know what I will be voting for and it's not what I would have a couple of years ago, it's strange how your Polical thinking changes as you get older, whatever the outcome I hope it turns out to be the right decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthensSaint Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 The vote shows real clear divides Gender divide; Women v Men, more women say NO Age divide: Older v younger, older people say NO Cutural/Race divide. Most immigrants say NO Class divide. The higher in the Class system you perceive yourself, you are then most likely to say NO. Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelsinkiSaintee Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 You're a bit out of date now I think, last YouGov poll shows: Gender divide - no significant difference now Age divide - over 60s massively No Cultural/Race divide - 46% of people born outside of UK saying Yes, I understood that Scots-born Asians are significantly pro-Yes, need to find figures Class divide - as you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 The media bias on reporting incorrect information concerning pensions has really driven a few older folks to no votes. The media have failed during this debate. auld reekie saint and Denzil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Could somebody on here tell me in the event of a yes vote what is happening to the railway ? Cause nobody in the town on the yes stand could tell me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitsjfc Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Could somebody on here tell me in the event of a yes vote what is happening to the railway ? Cause nobody in the town on the yes stand could tell me . Not to sure what you mean? The Scottish government already have control of our railway, with exception to cross border journeys, all money from that currently goes to Westminster but if a yes vote that will be re-negotiated as it's in the best interest for both country's to continue operating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Not to sure what you mean? The Scottish government already have control of our railway, with exception to cross border journeys, all money from that currently goes to Westminster but if a yes vote that will be re-negotiated as it's in the best interest for both country's to continue operating It would be your right , but the cross border thing is what gets me as with the imagration policy of the yes camp being a lot more lenient than that of Westminster , shall we have border controls in place ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 It would be your right , but the cross border thing is what gets me as with the imagration policy of the yes camp being a lot more lenient than that of Westminster , shall we have border controls in place ? It would just be the same as going between Ireland and Northern Ireland just now and no different than what we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Page 56-57 of this give mroe detail on that with links to sources http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 It would be your right , but the cross border thing is what gets me as with the imagration policy of the yes camp being a lot more lenient than that of Westminster , shall we have border controls in place ? I'd imagine it would be similar as using the Euro Star now. Passports get checked before boarding the train. I don't think it'll cause much issue tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'd imagine it would be similar as using the Euro Star now. Passports get checked before boarding the train. I don't think it'll cause much issue tbh. Doesn't work that way in Ireland. You just get on the train and off you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Doesn't work that way in Ireland. You just get on the train and off you go. So if your an illegal imagrant trying to get to England,just come to Scotland first and jump on a train down south ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 How is the illegal immigrant getting into Scotland? Why are better together so scared of foreigners? They say it like it's an insult. Brogan and garydavidson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejksjfc Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Who ever advised David Cameron to start swearing during his press conference wants the sack. I just found it very insulting. I am not against swearing and will in fact swear as much as anyone in the right situation. A press conference given by the Prime Minister is not that situation.The whole better together argument seems to be crumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 How is the illegal immigrant getting into Scotland? Why are better together so scared of foreigners? They say it like it's an insult. Aye but they might not be illegal in Scotland if wee Eck gets his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 No one from the EU is restricted from moving in Europe. Everyone else that already needs a Visa would still need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cagey Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah, it was murder this week traveling from Germany to Belgium when we were all forced off the train at gunpoint to have our passports checked at the border. NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Ed Milliband and blind rubbish go hand in hand, below from Ricky Ross: Overheard from reporter at Cameron event a.m....'the games up, everyone knows it, it's going to be Yes, the surge is irresistible'. #indyref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Sturgeon asked to debate with Milliband tonight, she said Yes, he said........................................no, now there's a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auld reekie saint Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Don't see it myself. Conduct on both sides of the debate has been excellent with only the Unionist press and Jim Murphy in particular trying to paint a different picture. I think their evidence boils down to one egg.(Pun intended) Note that you opportunistically went for the No jugular when I recall that JK Rowling was slaughtered verbally for her early comments in favour of staying together. I went for the jugular? Look at my quote above. I praise both sides conduct. I merely point out that the Unionist press and Jim Murphy have tried to create a very different picture. There are incidents of abuse on the BOTH sides but they have been very much in the minority. Some of the rubbish that the likes of the Mail have printed have been appalling. Saintdunc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Aye but they might not be illegal in Scotland if wee Eck gets his way. You should do some research before making half cut Jibes at migrant workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 The media bias on reporting incorrect information concerning pensions has really driven a few older folks to no votes. The media have failed during this debate. The state controlled media have done their job admirably in spreading Project Fear. The over-65s are the age group with generally the least access to the internet and the only age group who believe anything the BBC tells them. it was obvious any pish and scaremongering would be aimed at them because they couldnt debunk it. All my copies of The Wee Blue Book have gone to pensioners. garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 So if your an illegal imagrant trying to get to England,just come to Scotland first and jump on a train down south ? Why not just hop on a ferry in France? It's much easier and closer (unless of course they're illegal immigrants from the Faroes or Iceland). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Why not just hop on a ferry in France? It's much easier and closer (unless of course they're illegal immigrants from the Faroes or Iceland). Because they wouldn't get in to Engurland with their tougher migration laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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