SaintSam1884 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was waiting until the end of July to buy my season ticket, but because the price was going to be so much cheaper to get in next Thursday if you had one, I went and bought mine earlier. I was always going to buy one and Saints were always going to get my money, but this incentive forced me to do it a bit earlier and I'm grateful that I will save myself £9 next week. garydavidson and The ghost of Jim Morton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDT Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Saint need fans, but also need money. There is a genuine balance to be struck. Personally, I think 24 quid is a bit steep but if we are still in the tie, folk will pay to see us with a genuine chance of a massive upset. I have bought my season ticket and feel aggrieved that I will have to pay 15quid to go. But I will, because its what I do. And I will take my kids, because its what we all do. We SUPPORT SAINTS. TOGETHER. Some folk just fancy a rant and an excuse not to go. P.S. I send this message from Norway. This is my summer holiday. Supporting the team I love, the team my wife loves, and the team my sons love. Its what we do, its who we are Well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Bar Toilet Attendant Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 On the subject of Saints fan paying over the odds to subsidise the Official Party on the Charter Flight, do Saints not get something like £80K from UEFA towards Travel Expenses??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Rave Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Clubs are awarded 90k 'prize money' from UEFA for reaching the second round. No travelling expenses are added/included. A 'source' reliably informed me that the club areagain subsidising to the tone of £300 per person. The club believe they are being over charged for the plane, but due to time constraints are stuck with it. I never asked for more detail, so can't comment/argue/quantify any more than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Bar Toilet Attendant Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fair enough but obviously the "Prize Money" is meant to help subsidise the Club's travel costs?? Clubs are awarded 90k 'prize money' from UEFA for reaching the second round. No travelling expenses are added/included. A 'source' reliably informed me that the club areagain subsidising to the tone of £300 per person. The club believe they are being over charged for the plane, but due to time constraints are stuck with it. I never asked for more detail, so can't comment/argue/quantify any more than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fair enough but obviously the "Prize Money" is meant to help subsidise the Club's travel costs?? With the 'prize money' last year, the club still lost £30k (possibly £20k - can't quite remember) because of the chartered flight to Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely the term 'prize money' indicates that it is a reward for the achievement. Surely that shouldn't be to recoup the cost of competing. If it were it would be called expenses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes you wonder how on earth clubs from Faroes and San Marino (who continuously qualify for Europe) are able to honour their fixtures!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) Makes you wonder how on earth clubs from Faroes and San Marino (who continuously qualify for Europe) are able to honour their fixtures!?!? I guess Saints take the decision to charter a flight as it is a rarity to qualify for Europe. I doubt these little teams enjoy that luxury. Plus, however tiny their leagues are, they don't have Neil Doncaster undermining every possible income stream and giving it all to the old firm. Edited July 17, 2013 by montrosesaintee fazman1977 and jhq 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstu Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Saints could have taken the whole squad and management via klm for £15k, it was the clubs choice to fly privately. fergiefootball, MySpazz and byebyedundee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Saints could have taken the whole squad and management via klm for £15k, it was the clubs choice to fly privately. And say 5k for the luggage.. no brainer Let's cut our playing budget but fly privately fergiefootball and MySpazz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Do you not think the players deserve to be rewarded for finishing third by experiencing European football that THEY qualified for in the best way possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 And say 5k for the luggage.. no brainer Let's cut our playing budget but fly privately Aye they could have got the ferry to the Orkneys and caught a fishing boat across then cycled to Trondheim. The ghost of Jim Morton, fazman1977, Barty1884 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Do you not think the players deserve to be rewarded for finishing third by experiencing European football that THEY qualified for in the best way possible? Don't think it's about reward I think it's about giving the team the best chance if getting a result. uphallsaint, garydavidson and The ghost of Jim Morton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Like Apple did with the iphone and ipad? When something is highly anticipated the retailers will usually always try to cash in! I didn't say every product or every retailer. And a special offer or promotion doesn't always mean cheaper prices. It could mean a free gift. It could mean money off another product/service. It could mean a free prize draw. All of these offers/promotions are included in the purchase of a St Johnstone season ticket for season 2013/2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergiefootball Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Im putting my tuppence worth in on this but im not going over every single point,im just going to say ;how can crusaders fly from further away for 300 quid and we can only do it for 800 and that's subsidised? I said sometime ago that saints would be charging a lot more than crusaders were and people slagged me off instantly saying I was insinuating that saints were ripping off there own supporters? Im not going to say told you so ..but. byebyedundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty1884 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Im putting my tuppence worth in on this but im not going over every single point,im just going to say ;how can crusaders fly from further away for 300 quid and we can only do it for 800 and that's subsidised? I said sometime ago that saints would be charging a lot more than crusaders were and people slagged me off instantly saying I was insinuating that saints were ripping off there own supporters? Im not going to say told you so ..but. I (wrongly) assumed Crusaders knew their opposition much further in advance, but they only knew 14 days in advance - we had no confirmed opponent until 7 days prior. If the Crusaders flight was chartered, perhaps the club had booked it far enough in advance, with no defined destination - with prices settled once the opponent was clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergiefootball Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I (wrongly) assumed Crusaders knew their opposition much further in advance, but they only knew 14 days in advance - we had no confirmed opponent until 7 days prior. If the Crusaders flight was chartered, perhaps the club had booked it far enough in advance, with no defined destination - with prices settled once the opponent was clear? As far as I know they had it up on their website about 4/5 days after the draw.They didn't include hotel or tickets + as far as I could see there was only about 12/15 fans there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty1884 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) As far as I know they had it up on their website about 4/5 days after the draw.They didn't include hotel or tickets + as far as I could see there was only about 12/15 fans there. 9 days before the trip then (maybe 8). It's an interesting one for sure, I mean a hotel & a ticket doesn't make the balance. I can only assume Crusaders had a charter pre-booked long before the draw then. The 12/15 fans point is interesting - brings us full circle to the demand = supply point The Inspiration brought up. If they could offer the package for sub 400 all-in (flight + hotel + ticket) and they could still only get 12/15 fans there, they had to keep it as cheap as possible - we don't know how heavily subbed it was by Crusaders either. We have/had 'x' number of packages available and I believe they sold out. Our demand was greater than our supply so we could've charged more. Edited July 17, 2013 by Barty1884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintie Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 As far as I can see Saint's are not subsidising the flight. SJFC have a game in Trondheim and have to get there. They have booked a plane/hotel/bus etc. to get the team/coaches/club personnel to the game. Travel to away games is nothing new. The players and staff get on the flight free of charge as per normal travel arrangements to any away game (this just happens to be a wee bit further afield), with SJFC picking up the tab. Low and behold the plane they have got has a few spare seats so they offer them to the paying public. This helps SJFC to re-coop some of the expense, but it was never intended to re-coop all expenses and/or make a profit. If none of the fans bought any tickets would folk then turn around and say everybody in the team (inc. other staff) are being subsidised? No, it is merely SJFC making sure they get the team to a fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty1884 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 know the club took a loss on the chartered flight last year, but I'm confused......aren't the players/staff flying there anyway? I don't know how it works but I can't picture Saints taking 20+ people on a Ryanair flight? (or whoever flies to Norway), so wouldn't that loss simply be reduced by putting 'bums in seats' on the flight? As far as I can see Saint's are not subsidising the flight. SJFC have a game in Trondheim and have to get there. They have booked a plane/hotel/bus etc. to get the team/coaches/club personnel to the game. Travel to away games is nothing new. The players and staff get on the flight free of charge as per normal travel arrangements to any away game (this just happens to be a wee bit further afield), with SJFC picking up the tab. Low and behold the plane they have got has a few spare seats so they offer them to the paying public. This helps SJFC to re-coop some of the expense, but it was never intended to re-coop all expenses and/or make a profit. If none of the fans bought any tickets would folk then turn around and say everybody in the team (inc. other staff) are being subsidised? No, it is merely SJFC making sure they get the team to a fixture. Similar to the point I made, still waiting on an answer from somebody 'in the know'. Would love to know what the standard process would be. Would we still book an SJFC flight? Or would they be on a KLM flight with Joe Public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Similar to the point I made, still waiting on an answer from somebody 'in the know'. Would love to know what the standard process would be. Would we still book an SJFC flight? Or would they be on a KLM flight with Joe Public? The standard process for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty1884 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 The standard process for what? Would love to know what the standard process would be. Would we still book an SJFC flight? Or would they be on a KLM flight with Joe Public? So if we weren't offering the chartered flight to fans, would the team/officials etc be on an airline flight with Joe Public? Or, as Saintie suggested, would we book our own flight anyway and having the fans on board with the team lessens the financial impact for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergiefootball Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I (wrongly) assumed Crusaders knew their opposition much further in advance, but they only knew 14 days in advance - we had no confirmed opponent until 7 days prior. If the Crusaders flight was chartered, perhaps the club had booked it far enough in advance, with no defined destination - with prices settled once the opponent was clear? That is complete nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty1884 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) That is complete nonsense. Which part? The part where I openly admit I had assumed wrongly? Or the part where I was speculating? On speculation, Crusaders knew they had secured Europe 6 weeks prior to us qualifying? It's entirely plausible they booked a company far enough in advance to secure a lower price. Not saying that is the case, it's mere speculation.....you know....hence the word "perhaps" in my comment. Always nice chatting with your fergie Edited July 17, 2013 by Barty1884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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