SaintSam1884 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 The incident speaks for itself. What a thoroughly stupid thing to do. Initially I thought the same as many others... he's not in a good place in his head this week but then I read he already had TEN points on his licence as a result of three separate speeding offences over the last two years. I'd suggest that Fran simply has no regard for the law. Much like he had very little regard for his team mates last Saturday. Incidentally, £4000 a month? Since when did we start handing that out to players?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 4k a month? shit money nae wonder hes off the rails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Incidentally, £4000 a month? Since when did we start handing that out to players?! We supposedly have players on more than that a month. £1000 a week for a decent SPL footballer isn''t that much, worth every penny IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 This incident, hot on the heels of last Saturday's behaviour, should be the end of Fran's St Johnstone career in that he should not be offered a new contract. Legally speaking I doubt there are grounds to sack him, particularly given that we have had a similar situation in the past (Marc McCulloch) and not taken that action. Drink driving is utterly deplorable and he is very lucky that this wasn't more serious i.e. that he did not hurt anyone. If you are driving, don't drink at all, it's as simple as that, why take the risk with so many people being ignorant of limits and what will take you over. Clearly the man has got issues, his recent behaviour has shown that, and I do hope he gets the help he needs. PS: People saying that this happened last week before the Utd game are incorrect, he was arrested in the early hours of yesterday morning and appeared in court today having spent a night in the cells. All come to a head and the end of his contract at Saints will be mutually beneficial. Thanks for the early memories Fran. There is no way he will be putting on the sacred shirt again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murdom43 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 yes fran has been silly drink driving,but everyone makes mistakes,lets put it in perspective,nobody was injured or killed,the court has seen fit to dish out what they think is a suitable punishment,if the ball was on the other foot and you were in his position would you want to be sacked,obviously no. the guy isnt doing too well just now and hopefully the club will give him the support and help he needs,lets not forget would we be where we are this season without him prob not. so instead of disowning the guy we should get behind and show our support in his time of need. im sure plenty will disagree with me,but this is my personal view on the subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Should be sacked, could've killed someone Did your team sack your Assistant anager? No they didn;t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 He was definitely out in town last night anyway. Gavin Swankie was dropped and never seen again after his drink driving spat, I wonder if this was 6 months ago what would happen. Was it only after he left Saints that the course actually went to court? Could not remember how it all happened but Saints kept it very very quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 see with his ban.can he drive back in spain or is that included? is other european countries included as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 People asking for him to be sacked are full on mental. Proof that this forum has descended into little more than a hangout for windup merchants who dont even support saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 People asking for him to be sacked are full on mental. Proof that this forum has descended into little more than a hangout for windup merchants who dont even support saints agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltrane Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 yes fran has been silly drink driving,but everyone makes mistakes,lets put it in perspective,nobody was injured or killed,the court has seen fit to dish out what they think is a suitable punishment,if the ball was on the other foot and you were in his position would you want to be sacked,obviously no. the guy isnt doing too well just now and hopefully the club will give him the support and help he needs,lets not forget would we be where we are this season without him prob not. so instead of disowning the guy we should get behind and show our support in his time of need. im sure plenty will disagree with me,but this is my personal view on the subject I agree totally - though if he does it again different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin saint Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) Fran the magnifico-it only matters on the pitch everybody has made mistakes it's how you learn from them Edited April 28, 2012 by dublin saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 People asking for him to be sacked are full on mental. Proof that this forum has descended into little more than a hangout for windup merchants who dont even support saints And NOTHING is being done about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 It's not been Fran's month. Why anyone would suggest sacking him is beyond me. Unless he's actually employed as the team bus driver? A traffic officer once told me that 2 pints of dishwater lager will generally be the limit for a fully grown adult male but 2 pints of Stella would be more than iffy for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Drivey, no drinkey.....simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I am concerned that the impact Fran's recent 'incidents' may have. We are looking to hopefully retain several players at McD who are currently on loan / out of contract. My concern is that the recent sending off (and the aftermath) and now the drink driving are creating a negative feel around the club. Will that potentially impact on the decision that certain players (other than Fran) make when considering their future? You really are a drama queen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 You really are a drama queen! Sorry Ryan, I don't agree. Part of my job is to understand the impact on people of organisational change, or a change in the fortunes of or the atmosphere around an organisation, often resulting from a single incident. These impacts are ignored by bosses at their peril. Perhaps you see things too much in black and white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Incidentally, £4000 a month? Since when did we start handing that out to players?! Not much of a pay for a top flight footballer to be honest,the likes of Jason Scotland etc were reputedly on around £1400 p/w when we were in the 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Sorry Ryan, I don't agree. Part of my job is to understand the impact on people of organisational change, or a change in the fortunes of or the atmosphere around an organisation, often resulting from a single incident. These impacts are ignored by bosses at their peril. Perhaps you see things too much in black and white Certainly not. My favourite colour is grey! I just don't see football players getting overly concerned over a colleagues silly misdemeanours. I'd expect the incident last week would have been sorted out in adult like manner and been forgotten already. Sport can't really be compared to work, people do uncharacteristic things because of adrenaline. If you over analyse everything you'd never leave the house for the fear of what might happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Certainly not. My favourite colour is grey! I just don't see football players getting overly concerned over a colleagues silly misdemeanours. I'd expect the incident last week would have been sorted out in adult like manner and been forgotten already. Sport can't really be compared to work, people do uncharacteristic things because of adrenaline. If you over analyse everything you'd never leave the house for the fear of what might happen. I don't!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Not much of a pay for a top flight footballer to be honest,the likes of Jason Scotland etc were reputedly on around £1400 p/w when we were in the 1st. True chips but i think it was around £4000 per month that would be his basic pay if he turned out shite and sat in the stand for his year cotract, he will no doubt get apperance money for the first team,win bonus and mabey a huge bonus if he scored 20+ goals this season (he probably blew that though) so i would imagine he could be on double this figure, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Sorry Ryan, I don't agree. Part of my job is to understand the impact on people of organisational change, or a change in the fortunes of or the atmosphere around an organisation, often resulting from a single incident. These impacts are ignored by bosses at their peril. Perhaps you see things too much in black and white Yes and half the problems caused in large organisations are form people who come in and start analysing what if this what if that. He has been caught drunk driving, very strange that the guy was stopped and spoke to the police and they didn't suspect he was drunk at that point. He is not the first and won't be the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 True chips but i think it was around £4000 per month that would be his basic pay if he turned out shite and sat in the stand for his year cotract, he will no doubt get apperance money for the first team,win bonus and mabey a huge bonus if he scored 20+ goals this season (he probably blew that though) so i would imagine he could be on double this figure, Not sure if we still do it but the bonus used to depend on where we were in the league. Did hear from someone that the young kids were on £100 appearance with the first team and £400 win bonus, and taht is for just being on the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints&proud Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Hahaha true cult hero now! Wish everyone would stop banging on about him getting sent off!! Big deal!! He was pumped up and lost it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Bar Toilet Attendant Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Not sure if we still do it but the bonus used to depend on where we were in the league. Did hear from someone that the young kids were on £100 appearance with the first team and £400 win bonus, and taht is for just being on the squad. I think the bonus for a win is nearly double their weekly wage. It certainly was in the first season back in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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