One Goran Stanic Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 The whole "they are standing up so that means we are allowed to stand up" argument is laughable. Grown men use it as an excuse at games. The stewards should definitely be rotated as the stewarding is bad at McD, but some of the fans need to take a look at themselves and their behaviour before blaming everything on poor stewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 The problem nowadays is that if someone says they feel offended then it is offensive. We live in a world that has gone from anything goes to nothing is allowed. He/they wouldn't have called anything as nice as a paedo in the past. However most football supporters accept it as part of the game and certainly don't take it personally. The problem is that the police and stewards don't see that. They think every "offensive" chant is giant to lead to a riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Requirements for football steward? I'm looking to apply for a football steward for my local club that is currently a championship side but may have a chance of getting promoted to the premiership. I have experience dealing with aggressive behaviour and multi tasking but it has come to my understanding that a SIA may be required for a football steward. What kind of SIA course should I go for, and how long would that course last along with costs?2 years agoReport Abuse The TC says KNOW YOUR ROLE Best Answer - Chosen by Voters Chucking people out of places for no reason helps2 years ago PS It wasnt me applying . The ghost of Jim Morton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Can we still sing "Dundee Utd are Shite".....because, let's face it, they're not really? Will I get horsed out for singing it?? What about " Ref, that was never offside"....if later review of said incident shows that it actually was offside, can I get thrown out retrospectively?? Wonder how many Hearts fans or players cried themselves to sleep last night after some of our supporters sang the ditty under discussion (I too think it is a rubbish song, but not feckin illegal)?? NONE THATS HOW MANY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 It's defamation of someone's character. Like how on this very forum we could not call Steve Lomas unsavoury names that were not true. Craig Thompson might be a peado, Hearts are not. Who is this Hearts person you speak of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Who is this Hearts person you speak of. Where did you get your legal info? As far as I am aware a company can bring a claim for defamation if someone is damaging its business reputation. Companies have legal personality, otherwise they wouldn't be able to .... well... do anything. P.s. even though I think the song is pathetic I'm not against fans rights to sing insults to other fans, just making sure the convo has proper factual grounding Edited December 16, 2012 by Jiangsu Sainty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbear Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 It was nt the "beardy" guy I had a problem with initially,but the "cockney" one.Can they not have name badges on. He came over to give someone an ear bashing again.I was nt standing up,during the game,unless we had a chance or at a corner but after the umpteenth time of standing in my way I asked him to move cause "I" could nt see the game for him standing in my way.After the third time of asking I moved my arm out and pushed him to the side.He then stormed off.About a minute later a Policeman asked for a word under the stand. There were 2 PC's that were very polite and asked me what happened.I told them what happened and that I was extremely unhappy.A third PC appeared and said he thought he knew me. All the time Beardy and Cockney were standing at the back of them.This really got my goat cause they had no reason to be here as you know they are in charge of crowd control and its kicking off in the stands. The PC's informed me that Cockney steward wants me ejected from the stand.At this point he started smiling at me.I took my season ticket out and threw at the steward and said you can stick that up you re arse,I will never be back.Then after pleading with me 3 times to re-consider my decision to relinquish my ticket whilst taking down my details the PC escorted me from the stadium. I found out a few days later that the PC that I had spoken to had made a complaint to his Superior regarding the Cockney stewards handling of my situation. I was also contacted via facebook by Roddy Grant asking me to meet him up at the park to discuss the incident.I refused his offer as I had and have still not changed my mind. I also received a signed shirt from Steve Lomas last night pleading with me to come back.I'm sorry Steve but no chance. I have also found out that Cockney steward is a door steward as well and this does not surprise me one little bit. Have to agree ,the way we are getting treated never mind trying to attract new fans there starting to piss your guys of that go every week Not worth the hassle may be Barry,s right away games are the way to go next season.Definitly if they two ,stewards are still around. Time for Saints to step up to the mark and get this sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Jenkins Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) football in this country is dead....soulless sanitized shite, the heart has been ripped out of the uk game. due to this and costs I think this might be the last year of regular attendance for me. it's sad as the product on the park is not too bad and the team deserve our support, but off the park is just a joke there is no buzz left in it Edited December 17, 2012 by Shaggy Jenkins Edstar101 and Dr Christmas Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scobby_SJFC Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Saying someone doesn't use soap and calling them a peadophille are exactly the same... But they do employ one which gives off the impression that they do not see this crime as a serious offence Gothlover and Shaggy Jenkins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 hi people i have to disagree with a few people on here at the moment. The stewarding at the corner of the east stand is not that bad. we used to get told to sit down every home game. we never get told to sit down now, we basically stand every game. unfortuntely the guys that sit in the bottom part of the stand get told to sit down because people behind may not be able to see. they have basically said if you want to stand then you go up the back of the yellow seats. The issue with saturday game is the this year a new law was introduced that means that any aggressive, racist, sectarian chanting is now against the law. Any song that used language about what craig thomson is, is know classed as offensive. They choose the guy who was singing that song because they saw him as the person who started it. I was informed that had the hearts fans been behind the goal then those 2 people would have been arrested, that was the informtion been passed between supervisor and police commander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I shall make SLF aware of the new laws. He will have to change his repertoire of the last forty years. His rhymes i'm afraid will not have the same impact, which is a pity really, but thats progress. The art of communication is Dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Have to agree ,the way we are getting treated never mind trying to attract new fans there starting to piss your guys of that go every week Not worth the hassle may be Barry,s right away games are the way to go next season.Definitly if they two ,stewards are still around. Time for Saints to step up to the mark and get this sorted football in this country is dead....soulless sanitized shite, the heart has been ripped out of the uk game. due to this and costs I think this might be the last year of regular attendance for me. it's sad as the product on the park is not too bad and the team deserve our support, but off the park is just a joke there is no buzz left in it Dave I cant be arsed with it anymore.I will miss going to the footy but I dont find it entertaining anymore.Like Shaggy said the team are playing as well as I can remember but the stewarding and the clubs stance on the stewarding has always been the same if not worse which is astonishing considering how low the crowds are.For someone to say the stewards are doing a great job,I just find this staggering .I moved along the Ormond end because of the over zealous stewarding.I thought it had changed but it has nt. The song the Hibs fans were singing was"Is this a library" Thats what some fans,the stewards and in some way the club want. If I do go to away trips,I dont know if I can be bothered with the hastle of stewards etc so might not bother going to the games.The wee man asked why he was nt going to the game on Saturday but was quite happy watching games on the tv although I was working so it was nt that much an issue this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbear Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 This all boils down to one question why treat us home fans different from away fans? G4 S answer.......not our stand Barty1884 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooj Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 It appears as though the stewards/club/police (who all share responsibility) are employing outdated methods of crowd management. If the stewards act indiscriminately (or are even perceived to be acting indiscriminately) then the danger is that the normally law-abiding fans (the majority) will end up siding with the trouble-makers (a small minority in most crowds) and are more likely themselves to behave in negative or anti-social ways. The more that you have a 'them vs us' situation (stewards/police vs fans), the more likely you are to antagonise fans and increase the risk of serious trouble. The club should do everything they can to encourage a 'them vs us' situation which is based on 'us' = 'law abiding fans who want to enjoy the game + stewards/police who want to ensure that law abiding fans enjoy the game' and the 'them' = 'criminal or anti-social minority who are just trying to cause trouble'. To achieve this the stewards and police should be integrated with fans and they should do everything they can to find out about the fans, what they are like as a group and basically 'what makes them tick'. As well as understanding the group dynamics, being integrated in this way also enables the police/stewards to explain to fans (in a non-confrontational way) what is deemed to be acceptable or unacceptable behaviour. For instance, if they have a policy for deciding whether a chant is 'criminally offensive' or 'tasteless, insulting but legal' then this should be explained to fans. It all comes down to good quality two-way communication (so the idea of getting some fans reps together with the club and the police to discuss the issue would be a very good start - better than trying to do this on match day in the stands) and of course having stewards and police who value fans as genuine people who are just out to enjoy themselves rather than as potential criminals. This approach (developed by Clifford Stott and others) has been used very successfully on the continent where serious violence at major football tournaments was a major risk - integrating the police into the crowd (uniformed but without helmets or visible batons/weapons) rather than having them all lined up, tooled-up to the hilt in their riot gear, led to a massive reduction in arrests, mainly because the genuine fans were grateful that the police were there to help them enjoy themselves and to target the small minority of genuine trouble-makers. If the club were interested, my day rate is very reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The next time this sort of thing happens everyone in the vacinity should use their mobiles to take video evidence of whats going on. If innocent people are being given grief and thrown out then this will add a bit of credibity to their case against the stewarding and will remove their word against yours problem. SingaporeSaint, Tarzan and Barty1884 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Mikey Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The stewarding is pish. I mind a time sitting in the Main stand when a steward walked all the way up to me just after half time to say the match commander was not happy at my shouting during the first half as we sat pretty close. Pretty much told the Steward to piss off and if the commander had such an issue he could move his arse outta the box he's in and let me know. Needless today I've not been bothered the last 3 years. They should be crowd mainframe eve and not directly pinpointing people unless it causes a safety risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Vine's Surfboard Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 What about an online petition that we could present to the club/G4S in support of the creation of a standing section and ask for a general review of the stewarding? When Cowdenbeath was called off the first time, a few of us went to Pittodrie and stood for the whole game in the Motherwell end along with their whole support. The stewards didn't try to sit anyone down and even told us where was best to stand whilst keeping out of the wind. They were all helpful and even had a bit of banter with some of the well fans, what I would give to get stewards like them at McD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 What about an online petition that we could present to the club/G4S in support of the creation of a standing section and ask for a general review of the stewarding? When Cowdenbeath was called off the first time, a few of us went to Pittodrie and stood for the whole game in the Motherwell end along with their whole support. The stewards didn't try to sit anyone down and even told us where was best to stand whilst keeping out of the wind. They were all helpful and even had a bit of banter with some of the well fans, what I would give to get stewards like them at McD... they didn't let us stand last time i was at pitoddrie about 3 years ago in a 2-1 defeat.the carry oot there and back on the chooch wis braw though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Dave I cant be arsed with it anymore.I will miss going to the footy but I dont find it entertaining anymore.Like Shaggy said the team are playing as well as I can remember but the stewarding and the clubs stance on the stewarding has always been the same if not worse which is astonishing considering how low the crowds are.For someone to say the stewards are doing a great job,I just find this staggering .I moved along the Ormond end because of the over zealous stewarding.I thought it had changed but it has nt. The song the Hibs fans were singing was"Is this a library" Thats what some fans,the stewards and in some way the club want. If I do go to away trips,I dont know if I can be bothered with the hastle of stewards etc so might not bother going to the games.The wee man asked why he was nt going to the game on Saturday but was quite happy watching games on the tv although I was working so it was nt that much an issue this week. You better keep going to away trips ya chunt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Where did you get your legal info? As far as I am aware a company can bring a claim for defamation if someone is damaging its business reputation. Companies have legal personality, otherwise they wouldn't be able to .... well... do anything. P.s. even though I think the song is pathetic I'm not against fans rights to sing insults to other fans, just making sure the convo has proper factual grounding I'd like to see them bringing someone to court over something factually correct. They have continued to empoy a convicted child sex offender and he will no doubt come into contact with minors while working in his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David123 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 It was nt the "beardy" guy I had a problem with initially,but the "cockney" one.Can they not have name badges on. He came over to give someone an ear bashing again.I was nt standing up,during the game,unless we had a chance or at a corner but after the umpteenth time of standing in my way I asked him to move cause "I" could nt see the game for him standing in my way.After the third time of asking I moved my arm out and pushed him to the side.He then stormed off.About a minute later a Policeman asked for a word under the stand. There were 2 PC's that were very polite and asked me what happened.I told them what happened and that I was extremely unhappy.A third PC appeared and said he thought he knew me. All the time Beardy and Cockney were standing at the back of them.This really got my goat cause they had no reason to be here as you know they are in charge of crowd control and its kicking off in the stands. The PC's informed me that Cockney steward wants me ejected from the stand.At this point he started smiling at me.I took my season ticket out and threw at the steward and said you can stick that up you re arse,I will never be back.Then after pleading with me 3 times to re-consider my decision to relinquish my ticket whilst taking down my details the PC escorted me from the stadium. I found out a few days later that the PC that I had spoken to had made a complaint to his Superior regarding the Cockney stewards handling of my situation. I was also contacted via facebook by Roddy Grant asking me to meet him up at the park to discuss the incident.I refused his offer as I had and have still not changed my mind. I also received a signed shirt from Steve Lomas last night pleading with me to come back.I'm sorry Steve but no chance. I have also found out that Cockney steward is a door steward as well and this does not surprise me one little bit. I was at tannadice with my cousins and there was a steward sanding right in front of us and i asked her to move and she sain 'well you've payed to watch football so she is not going to stop me and moved out the way 'Respect for Fans' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 It was nt the "beardy" guy I had a problem with initially,but the "cockney" one.Can they not have name badges on. He came over to give someone an ear bashing again.I was nt standing up,during the game,unless we had a chance or at a corner but after the umpteenth time of standing in my way I asked him to move cause "I" could nt see the game for him standing in my way.After the third time of asking I moved my arm out and pushed him to the side.He then stormed off.About a minute later a Policeman asked for a word under the stand. There were 2 PC's that were very polite and asked me what happened.I told them what happened and that I was extremely unhappy.A third PC appeared and said he thought he knew me. All the time Beardy and Cockney were standing at the back of them.This really got my goat cause they had no reason to be here as you know they are in charge of crowd control and its kicking off in the stands. The PC's informed me that Cockney steward wants me ejected from the stand.At this point he started smiling at me.I took my season ticket out and threw at the steward and said you can stick that up you re arse,I will never be back.Then after pleading with me 3 times to re-consider my decision to relinquish my ticket whilst taking down my details the PC escorted me from the stadium. I found out a few days later that the PC that I had spoken to had made a complaint to his Superior regarding the Cockney stewards handling of my situation. I was also contacted via facebook by Roddy Grant asking me to meet him up at the park to discuss the incident.I refused his offer as I had and have still not changed my mind. I also received a signed shirt from Steve Lomas last night pleading with me to come back.I'm sorry Steve but no chance. I have also found out that Cockney steward is a door steward as well and this does not surprise me one little bit. I think you will find that if you ask for there name they have to provide it if they dont provide name the least they have to give you is a id number. As for putting hands on this is a very touchy subject they have to give you plenty of oppertunity to leave of your own accord if you dont do this then they can use minnimum force to eject you from the ground. But by that time the police should be there then there use of power is different but I cant see any reason for g4s to put hands on anyone to remove them from the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I see beards guy was sent over to the disabled section in the main stand he would be pissed of he couldn't tell them to sit down. The ghost of Jim Morton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Saintie Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I thought the amount of police / stewards in the family stand was a bit over top today. I counted at least 10 fluorescent jackets for most of the time. Was it the kids or parents they were expecting trouble from? nickyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I thought the amount of police / stewards in the family stand was a bit over top today. I counted at least 10 fluorescent jackets for most of the time. Was it the kids or parents they were expecting trouble from? Inteligiance on the street was a larger amount of Sheffield sainties were at the game today and also heading into town later i thnk a bit of hes behind was mentioned as well Sheffield Saintie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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