Linky Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, RandomGuy said: No idea, St Mirren fans are fairly convinced they got ~£50k for MacPherson. That makes me feel sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Lewis71 said: Correct me if I'm wrong but Lawlor is contracted to Scumdee until July 2023, therefore we would be paying for him. Oh dear this really isnt looking good. Maybe our luck will change & Zander will re - sign, doubt it though. Bad enough we are signing him but to pay a fee would be criminal. Extending deals for Muzz and Parish and now this. Do they want to sell season tickets ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 Midden fans think we paid £50,000. Dundee fans think we are signing Lawlor. Wouldn’t it be great if saints fans new what they are complaining about. I think we are just feeding things for cagey to moan about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, Stumpy1966 said: Midden fans think we paid £50,000. Dundee fans think we are signing Lawlor. Wouldn’t it be great if saints fans new what they are complaining about. I think we are just feeding things for cagey to moan about. We definitely paid a decent fee for MacPherson, FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indicator Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Lewis71 said: Correct me if I'm wrong but Lawlor is contracted to Scumdee until July 2023, therefore we would be paying for him. Oh dear this really isnt looking good. Maybe our luck will change & Zander will re - sign, doubt it though. Even in the unlikely event he was considering such an option, you've got to assume that he is watching the unfolding 'alleged' clusterfeck scenario. So, no chance chance of him re-signing. imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 I think MacPherson might come good for us, there are signs there. Broggy Man, Stumpy1949 and tucker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, Shibbydoo said: I think MacPherson might come good for us, there are signs there. Aye. As long as the wee t*** passes it to Hallberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 Shay Given, no mean keeper himself, mentored Ian Lawlor, according to to Wikipedia. I will wait to pass judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 Just now, Saintdunc said: Shay Given, no mean keeper himself, mentored Ian Lawlor, according to to Wikipedia. I will wait to pass judgement. He mentored Parish as well. So did Brad Friedel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, RandomGuy said: No idea, St Mirren fans are fairly convinced they got ~£50k for MacPherson. A bargain then as Fotmob have him valued at £378k. templeofsaints 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 12 hours ago, Shibbydoo said: I think MacPherson might come good for us, there are signs there. The dign I see not good enough for St Mirren BUT good enough for us. I will not hold my breath Typical of CD;s signings he might come good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 hours ago, Graeme S said: Add to that, I see that Chris Hamilton (YPOTY at Arbroath last season as a defensive/holding midfielder) has just put pen to paper on a three year deal at Dunfermline. The player himself said he'd had interest from Saints - hopefully not one of CD's "4 or 5 signings ready to go straight into the first team". Seems we've been slow off the mark again for whatever reason, the only sure thing is that absolutely none of it will be CD's fault. Apparently he's a big Dunfermline fan, which might explain why he was keen to go there. I've no idea if he'd be good enough for Saints or not but it could easily be the case that we decided to concentrate on other targets. Not sure where you've read about Saints' interest, but interest doesn't necessarily mean we actually made him an offer. 15 hours ago, RandomGuy said: We paid fees for Cammy MacPherson and Ali Crawford in January, when we could've signed both to PCAs and got them for nothing. ... but we did sign MacPherson on a PCA, and St Mirren responded by recalling him. Yes we could have chosen to wait until the summer to get him back for nothing, but given the position we were in I think it probably made sense to pay what was presumably a fairly small fee to hold onto him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 14 hours ago, Stumpy1966 said: Midden fans think we paid £50,000. Dundee fans think we are signing Lawlor. Wouldn’t it be great if saints fans new what they are complaining about. I think we are just feeding things for cagey to moan about. I think that's a very good point. Surely anyone who's been reading this forum for any length of time knows that many of the things "in the know" fans claim to "know" often turns out to be well wide of the mark. I wonder if these St Mirren fans who somehow claim to know MacPherson's exact fee are the same ones who insisted they were signing Glenn Middleton last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, blueheaven said: ... but we did sign MacPherson on a PCA, and St Mirren responded by recalling him. Yes we could have chosen to wait until the summer to get him back for nothing, but given the position we were in I think it probably made sense to pay what was presumably a fairly small fee to hold onto him. St Mirren weren't recalling him until he signed a PCA, so we would've had him until the Summer on loan without having to pay a fee, give up a sell on clause, and offer him a multi-year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: St Mirren weren't recalling him until he signed a PCA, so we would've had him until the Summer on loan without having to pay a fee, give up a sell on clause, and offer him a multi-year deal. But they did recall him. He missed one of our matches because of it. Jim Goodwin explains it here: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/st-mirren-explain-macpherson-recall-after-st-johnstone-pre-contract-3538349 Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, blueheaven said: But they did recall him. He missed one of our matches because of it. Jim Goodwin explains it here: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/st-mirren-explain-macpherson-recall-after-st-johnstone-pre-contract-3538349 I think the point RandomGuy is making is that, once he'd signed a PCA, they recalled him. Therefore, if we'd have put a contract in front of him last month instead of January, we wouldn't have had to pay anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Yeah, there is no doubt that was one of the biggest embarrassments in a season of embarrassments. Instead of just waiting until the end of the season to see if his performances remotely merited a contract, we offered him a totally undeserved PCA, meaning that St Mirren recalled him in the hope that we’d pay a fee to bring him in permanently. There would have been minimal interest from other clubs at the end of the season and we could have secured him without a fee if we wanted him enough at that point. Linky, Cagey, Johnny B and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, blueheaven said: But they did recall him. He missed one of our matches because of it. Jim Goodwin explains it here: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/st-mirren-explain-macpherson-recall-after-st-johnstone-pre-contract-3538349 Because we signed him on a PCA. If we hadn't bothered to rush into that deal then they wouldn't have bothered recalling him, and we'd have him until the end of the season. It would've risked missing out on him permanently but that was a risk I don't think he justified not taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Because we signed him on a PCA. If we hadn't bothered to rush into that deal then they wouldn't have bothered recalling him, and we'd have him until the end of the season. It would've risked missing out on him permanently but that was a risk I don't think he justified not taking. I think I'm just confused by this as you started off by saying we should have signed him and Crawford on PCAs and got them for nothing. Now you seem to be saying that giving him a PCA was the wrong move. But yeah, I agree with those saying we shouldn't have rushed into tying Crawford and MacPherson down. We could have asked them to play their way into deals with their performances in the second half of the season. If they'd ended up signing for someone else, it wouldn't have been a massive loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 FFS this is the big summed signing thread yeah so can we move on to some exciting gossip. Or will we keep on talking about done deals from last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, byebyedundee said: FFS this is the big summed signing thread yeah so can we move on to some exciting gossip. Or will we keep on talking about done deals from last year Perhaps it's because there is no gossip, exciting or otherwise apart from the underwhelming gossip we are signing a Dundee reserve goalie. byebyedundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 hours ago, blueheaven said: I think I'm just confused by this as you started off by saying we should have signed him and Crawford on PCAs and got them for nothing. Now you seem to be saying that giving him a PCA was the wrong move. But yeah, I agree with those saying we shouldn't have rushed into tying Crawford and MacPherson down. We could have asked them to play their way into deals with their performances in the second half of the season. If they'd ended up signing for someone else, it wouldn't have been a massive loss. I think he would have had a development fee anyway so would not have mattered possibly when he signed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Center Half said: I think he would have had a development fee anyway so would not have mattered possibly when he signed? We may have also just paid ST Mirren the sum that we would have been paying them if he had stayed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 How do development fees work ? I thought St Mirren would only be due a fee if they’d offered him a new contract ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 "only the heroics of St Johnstone goalkeeper Scott Sinclair kept the Danes at bay," .report from BBC under 21s match last night, How long does Ross have left on his contract, hope we do not let it run out. Is there such a big step from Scotland under 21s to the Premiership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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